Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:51 am
Mintball
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What work that's been done? Installing a government that still regards women as utterly dispensable when faced by fundamentalist imbeciles who want to treat them like dirt because of their stupid interpretation of their stupid book?
But yes, more innocent victims of an insane, batsh*t stupid, decade-plus of a totally f**ked up war.
And if this soldier really did go on a shooting rampage because he'd had some sort of breakdown, then he's another of the victims.
What work that's been done? Installing a government that still regards women as utterly dispensable when faced by fundamentalist imbeciles who want to treat them like dirt because of their stupid interpretation of their stupid book?
But yes, more innocent victims of an insane, batsh*t stupid, decade-plus of a totally f**ked up war.
And if this soldier really did go on a shooting rampage because he'd had some sort of breakdown, then he's another of the victims.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:55 am
Wire Yed
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I'm not saying i agree with invading countries based on jumped up motives, but to say that the cannon fodder that go over don't go over with honourable intentions is a bit dismissive, i have friends over there and they try their best even if they don't want to be there.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:56 am
Rock God X
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Mintball wrote:And if this soldier really did go on a shooting rampage because he'd had some sort of breakdown, then he's another of the victims.
This possibility seems to be being ignored by just about everyone. They're all so quick to be seen to condemn the person responsible, they don't seem to have asked why a soldier might suddenly start shooting civilians without provocation.
Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:07 pm
ROBINSON
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Rock God X wrote:This possibility seems to be being ignored by just about everyone. They're all so quick to be seen to condemn the person responsible, they don't seem to have asked why a soldier might suddenly start shooting civilians without provocation.
From what I've read and heard, this possibility is being investigated quite seriously.
"I've not come 'alfway round t'world fot watch us lose. And I've come halfway round t'world, an' av watched um lose"
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:10 pm
Rock God X
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ROBINSON wrote:From what I've read and heard, this possibility is being investigated quite seriously.
That may well be the case now. I haven't read anything on it for a day or so. Initially though, there was a clamour (from the President down) to assure everyone that the perpetrator would be 'brought to justice', without even a mention of how something like this might have occurred.
Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:31 pm
Mugwump
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During the Vietnam war there were several reports of "rogue" soldiers running amok culminating in the infamous My Lai massacre uncovered by Seymour Hersh. My Lai caused unprecedented outcry in the US and expedited America's withdrawal from the country. But what most people didn't know was that incidents such as My Lai were far from uncommon. Indeed, they were very regular events. And the press - as it does today - said nothing. There's a horrifying documentary called "First Kill" in which US soldiers talk openly about murdering thousands of innocent Vietnamese in cold blood, cutting off ears, rape etc.
Right now that toadying snot Jeremy Vine is doing his best (in true BBC tradition) to offer the most ridiculous excuses whilst trumpeting the virtues of British soldiers over American forces, who are assumed to be "out of control". I refuse to believe this propaganda guff. Soldiers operating under intense stress - regardless of flag - and armed to the teeth with an array of lethal weaponry are going to kill civilians - by accident or in cold blood. It is inevitable.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:36 pm
Mugwump
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Seriously, if Jeremy Vine showed the same level of bigotry to almost any other minority group as he's currently levelling at US soldiers he'd be bounced off the air. I swear the man is a paid propaganda stooge for the government.
Post subject: Re: Afghanistan: Does this undo all the work done?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:39 pm
Rock God X
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Mugwump wrote:Seriously, if Jeremy Vine showed the same level of bigotry to almost any other minority group as he's currently levelling at US soldiers he'd be bounced off the air. I swear the man is a paid propaganda stooge for the government.
I can't listen to his show any more. It's like reading the comments section on the Daily Mail website.
Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
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