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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:27 am 
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It would seem the Tories don't want their rich mates to pay a mansion tax and will veto it. As we are all in this together then there must be money available to veto public sector increases in pension contributions or veto the cuts in benefits etc...






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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:38 am 
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Dally wrote:Good suggestion about the mansion tax in a letter in tonight's 'paper - base it on % of value last time the property changed hands. That way people who have lived in their house for years and don't necessarily have much income don't get caught, but the current rich do. A simple solution to one major objection.


People who can't afford to live in big houses can always downsize, you know like the poor people have to...






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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:59 am 
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Big Graeme wrote:People who can't afford to live in big houses can always downsize, you know like the poor people have to...


So old ladies are expected to move house? Bit of stressful thing to do / have the enegy to do.

It's odd when it is suggested that young people move to where the work is people bleat about being away from home and community but when it comes to old dears leaving their homes of 60 years, that's alright! Bizarre.

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Dally wrote:So old ladies are expected to move house? Bit of stressful thing to do / have the enegy to do.

It's odd when it is suggested that young people move to where the work is people bleat about being away from home and community but when it comes to old dears leaving their homes of 60 years, that's alright! Bizarre.


No more bizarre than this dog's breakfast of a government insisting that if you are on benefits, you should be forced to downsize or even let a spare room, to enable you to keep your benefits.

As I have stated on numerous occasions LVT is the only fair way to tax property and the land it sits upon.






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Out of interest, and to get some perspective on different points of view, how much does one have to be earning before one is well off?

And is it as straightforward as that? Do we allow for regional variations and disposable incomes, i.e. the amount that is left after household living expenses are paid?

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If you're wanting a property tax, how about removing principal private residence relief for top rate taxpayers?

That way any gains in the value of the property from the time it was bought to the time it is sold will be subject to CGT.






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HMG always talk about low top income tax rates because of the need to look after those wealth creating entrepreneurs. As I see it a better way of looking after true entrepreneurs (rather than the professional classes, media types, etc - who won't go anywhere) if not to worry about income tax. Tax them highly on that score but let them benefit from a sliding scale of CGT on business disposals. At present they get an effective 10% tax charge on modest disposals. Much better IMO, if they paid say, 25% on small disposals sliding DOWN to say, zero % of disposals of 250M +. That creates an incentive to build the business and not sell out at say £25M to a big company who then lays off half the staff but to keep dynamic. growing companies running until they are much bigger - thus creating a vibrant growing economy and increasing employment.

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Dally wrote:HMG always talk about low top income tax rates because of the need to look after those wealth creating entrepreneurs. As I see it a better way of looking after true entrepreneurs (rather than the professional classes, media types, etc - who won't go anywhere) if not to worry about income tax. Tax them highly on that score but let them benefit from a sliding scale of CGT on business disposals. At present they get an effective 10% tax charge on modest disposals. Much better IMO, if they paid say, 25% on small disposals sliding DOWN to say, zero % of disposals of 250M +. That creates an incentive to build the business and not sell out at say £25M to a big company who then lays off half the staff but to keep dynamic. growing companies running until they are much bigger - thus creating a vibrant growing economy and increasing employment.


Haven't we all seen enough of optimistically inflated company valuations, without offering direct encouragement to do so?






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Matt01 wrote:It would seem the Tories don't want their rich mates to pay a mansion tax and will veto it. As we are all in this together then there must be money available to veto public sector increases in pension contributions or veto the cuts in benefits etc...


Rich people pay enough tax already as it is.

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Ajw71 wrote:Rich people pay enough tax already as it is.

No they don't.

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