Dally wrote:You must be young if you think that. In my lifetime the decline has been dramatic and to be honest it is no longer the country I was brought up in on so many levels. For those 30 odd years older than me it must be awful.
(Which for a lover of 'evidence' like you is based throughout on the British government's own statistics).
(Cue the usual suspects dissing the author, just like the Tories used to mock Scargill).
Why would anyone want to diss this particular author. He's clearly got a political agenda as have all author's on this subject.
FWIW people have been writing this sort of trash throughout history, with each generation desperately trying to prove a moral decline from previous 'golden eras.' It's as much b*llocks now as it was when Thucydides bewailed the moral degeneration of Greek society during the Peloponnesian War. The term 'moral decadence' itself dates back to the middle ages and crops up every decade in right-wing treatises and journals, usually as a justification for further restrictions on civil liberties.
As for age - I really don't know what on earth you think that's got to do with it. Personal experience will always be both limited (even over a full human lifespan) and subjective. It is as relevant to this argument as personally visiting the moon is relevant to knowing it has craters.
Dally wrote:You must be young if you think that. In my lifetime the decline has been dramatic and to be honest it is no longer the country I was brought up in on so many levels. For those 30 odd years older than me it must be awful.
(Which for a lover of 'evidence' like you is based throughout on the British government's own statistics).
(Cue the usual suspects dissing the author, just like the Tories used to mock Scargill).
Why would anyone want to diss this particular author. He's clearly got a political agenda as have all author's on this subject.
FWIW people have been writing this sort of trash throughout history, with each generation desperately trying to prove a moral decline from previous 'golden eras.' It's as much b*llocks now as it was when Thucydides bewailed the moral degeneration of Greek society during the Peloponnesian War. The term 'moral decadence' itself dates back to the middle ages and crops up every decade in right-wing treatises and journals, usually as a justification for further restrictions on civil liberties.
As for age - I really don't know what on earth you think that's got to do with it. Personal experience will always be both limited (even over a full human lifespan) and subjective. It is as relevant to this argument as personally visiting the moon is relevant to knowing it has craters.
Reading the synopsis of the book, I'm not surprised that Dally is attracted to the message. Both he and the author seem to live in this fantasy where 30+ years ago we all lived in harmony, through fear that we'd be outed as shirtlifters, divorcees or non-church goers.
Now my memory may have faded somewhat but I can't recollect a time when there were no child abusers, murderers, thieves and assorted vagabonds. The only reason the odd person wasn't thieving from a charity shop in the 1960s/70s was because there were no charity shops to thieve from.
Mintball wrote:But Dally and his ilk don't care for facts. They'd far rather have the pleasure they seem to derive from their Chicken Licken approach to everything.
The facts of crime, reported crime, types of crime, etc, etc do bear out my views.
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Is it a disappointment to wake and find you're still alive?
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Sandra The Terrorist wrote:Is it a disappointment to wake and find you're still alive?
Actually, I am a happy go lucky person. Always smiling, always happy. I have been accused of leaving a trail of broken, depressed people in my wake. But, that's only because they have "issues."
Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
I imagine, in person you're probably quite funny.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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Dally, you should move to Bungay, Suffolk, if that's the most the coppers have to concern themselves with
Dally, you should move to Bungay, Suffolk, if that's the most the coppers have to concern themselves with
The older I get, the better I was
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Mintball wrote:Oh gosh – what "types" of crimes have been invented in this "depraved" island nation of ours in the last 60 years or so that didn't exist before?
I reckon that, back in Dally's day, the worst crime anyone ever heard about was that some little scamp had been scrumping apples or playing knock off ginger. Sure, there might have been the odd light-hearted knife-point rape here and there, but if you didn't go out of your way to find out about it, you were none the wiser.
Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.
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