barham red wrote:Bloody idiots, everyaway match is a peeupathon for the same people. In mitigation i did think the rentathug stewards were spoiling for a fight and when they saw someone (vrr) with no top on they waded in. watched them point him out andgleefully pile in, since when has waving a shirt around been an offence, very intimidating set of stewards.
huge police presence outside seemed very ott as well. just to clarify i'm no apologists for the peeheads who are spoiling my away trips but i did feel a bit o f empathy for those being intimidated.
Firstly the "stewards" who were spoiling for a fight are actually from a security firm which Warrington use and are there to basically sort out any incidences of agro or to handle people needing to be kicked out. Its not suprising that they seemed to be ready to wade in. Thats their job. They are only called on to handle incidents where the time has come that it appears that wading in is whats required.
Secondly, as far as the HUGE police presence is concerned, personally I dont think half a dozen pandas (there's usually a couple hanging around anyway) and a couple of vans is excessive when a) the police would have been advised of trouble in the ground b) there were reports of at least one fan being hurt in said trouble and c) there have been incidences of trouble in the past involving A MINORITY from both humberside teams.
The VAST majority of Warrington fans would join with the VAST majority of KR fans in agreeing that incidents like these have no place inside a rugby ground. Andy, respect you for admitting your involvement but as you acknowledge to your own credit the (over)reaction ddint help. People will call stewards but from experience the stewards at Warrington WILL take action against fans being disrespectful to others if its brought to their attention (even calling in the heavy mob mentioned above IF REQUIRED). I'm also sure that both clubs and constabularies would certainly welcome input from any fan wishing to provide assistance. The biggest problem they have though is a lack of people coming forward who REALLY do want to get involved. If anybody is genuingly willing to, hats of to you and feel free to contact the people in charge.
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We moved out of the East Stand to get away from being covered in beer and having to put up with vile & aggressive behaviour. If I'd taken Andy's route I'd have hit several 'women', I'll use the term loosely.
The crowd that was around me, I've seen at most away games and alot of the time they're alright if not a big paralytic. Thy were naughty at Leeds, though.
The worst away coach has a kid on it who looks like Jesus, that pulled up at Ferrybridge and a large contingent of its inhabitants used the front wall as a urinal, the Jesus lad was scuffling with stewards at Wire last year after they asked him to put a joint out, yes, really.
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I know I'm interupting here as I'm from Wakefield and its not my business really but I don't want to see violence at Rugby Grounds anywhere so have an interest from that point of view.
I've been in a similar situation to Andy and felt obliged to defend my wife and father when some idiots were starting trouble. It was a Cas Wakefield game and it was a Wakefield fan causing the trouble. It was simply a matter of too much beer, nothing else. He wouldn't have been brave enough any other time, but the problem is, as Andy found, that the stewards aren't really offering protection. When things have happened near me, I have rarely seen the stewards taking control. You either have to take it and stand there, take it and move away or not take it and confront them yourself, which makes it worse.
So actually, although there were a few comments of too many stewards and police, I'm all for it if it keeps people safe and they don't have to step in themselves.....and on top of that, there needs to be an initiative from the club to find out who the people were. Its easy to be brave when you think you are invisible. Name and shame.
There was an incident a few years ago when Warrington were at Wakefield and some fans threw cansa t the touch judge who made a decision against us. The club went to great lengths to find out who they were and they got rid of them.
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R.B.A wrote:Well the second one is called Andy so im going to put 2 and 2 together..
He looks quite hard, note to self; Do not throw custard pies at Andy.
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