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If people want to drink too much, smoke too much and take drugs, that's up to them. But when they die because of it, they deserve no sympathy what so ever.
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Mintball wrote:I do hope that some people here would be able to assure the rest of us that they do not own or have never enjoyed any cultural work by any artist (of any era) who took any form of drug?
After all, they wouldn't want be called hypocrites, would they?
Why is that hypocritical? liking somebody's music/writing/film has nothing to do with a lack of sympathy for a self inflicted death? These are two separate issues that should be treated as such.
It must be tough sitting in your pool crying about how bad your lot is and why you not getting the attention you think you should!! bit like an abused child crying in their bedroom - let's get some perspective here?
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World of Redboy wrote:If people want to drink too much, smoke too much and take drugs, that's up to them. But when they die because of it, they deserve no sympathy what so ever.
I agree, but perhaps its the drinking too much, smoking too much and the drugs too much that produces the artistic output that the rest of us admire and pay money for ?
She's not the first, hell she's at the back of a very long line of musicians who abused their bodies and brains in a lifestyle choice (which then leads to addiction) in order to produce something that the rest of us cannot replicate but instead are willing to purchase and promote and elevate the musician in question to that of hero, then when we've killed them off elevate them further to sainthood, we stand back and admire the "rock and roll lifestyle" and wait until they burn out heroically before condemning them.
On a slightly different tack, 48 years of age is going to be regarded as a good innings for some of the current teen/20 year olds if they continue to believe that alcohol abuse is harmless while an industry who milk them of their cash are oblivious of the dangers and continue to deny them.
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Sal Paradise wrote:Why is that hypocritical? liking somebody's music/writing/film has nothing to do with a lack of sympathy for a self inflicted death? These are two separate issues that should be treated as such.
It must be tough sitting in your pool crying about how bad your lot is and why you not getting the attention you think you should!! bit like an abused child crying in their bedroom - let's get some perspective here?
See McLaren's very good explanation.
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Joined: May 27 2003 Posts: 6184 Location: St Helens/Oldham
I don't normally buy into the "lets all mourn a celebrity" poop, but this has made me truly sad
Anyone girl up in the 80's cannot fail to have been touched by her awesome talent. From "How will I know" through The Bodyguard and Waiting To Exhale to "Its not right (but its ok)" there has been a Whitney track for every occasion/heartache.
She is the one artist (aside from MJ) that I truly grew up with.
I followed her career and life (used to adore Bobby Brown) quite closely and its so sad that she succumbed so young. And if news reports in recent years are to be trusted, her daughter is going down the same road. Let's hope this wakes her up.
I don't normally buy into the "lets all mourn a celebrity" poop, but this has made me truly sad
Anyone girl up in the 80's cannot fail to have been touched by her awesome talent. From "How will I know" through The Bodyguard and Waiting To Exhale to "Its not right (but its ok)" there has been a Whitney track for every occasion/heartache.
She is the one artist (aside from MJ) that I truly grew up with.
I followed her career and life (used to adore Bobby Brown) quite closely and its so sad that she succumbed so young. And if news reports in recent years are to be trusted, her daughter is going down the same road. Let's hope this wakes her up.
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McLaren_Field wrote:I agree, but perhaps its the drinking too much, smoking too much and the drugs too much that produces the artistic output that the rest of us admire and pay money for ?
Normally I'd agree but this is Whitney Houston we're talking about not Nina Simone. This is someone who's most popular work was produced when she was a teatotle virgin. She then went on to marry Bobby Brown (best known for being one of a child boy band), surely every marketing man's wet dream? Musical output while she was on the pop and dope was the equivalent of listening to Jimmy Nail farting in the bath. Much like Jane Seymour in Live and Let Die her "gift" vanished the first time she did the nasty.
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Houston we have a problem.
Sorry, erm, I meant RIP Whitney. I remember dancing with a girl for the first time to 'Wanna Dance With Somebody'. And she did lots of nice songs. Should have stayed off the crack though.
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Her 1998 album was incredibly successful globally. 6 years after she married Bobby.
Nobody will ever agree in music as its such personal taste but I thought she was a phenomenal talent and like I said earlier I grew up with her.
Every Whitney song takes me back to the time I first heard it.
No denying she was a mess in the past few yrs (ironically after divorcing Bobby). Nobody ever gets addicted to drugs because they are really happy.
[b]The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind The kind that blindside you at 4pm on some idle Tuesday. Do one thing everyday that scares you.
Don’t be reckless with other people’s hearts, don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours.
Don’t waste your time on jealousy-sometimes you’re ahead, sometimes you’re behind…the race is long, and in the end, it’s only with yourself[/b]
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