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SaintsFan wrote:Actually, that's incorrect. There should always be a 'full stop' (which actually isn't a full stop) after an abbreviation; it is just that people have fallen out of the habit of putting one there.
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SaintsFan wrote:Actually, that's incorrect. There should always be a 'full stop' (which actually isn't a full stop) after an abbreviation; it is just that people have fallen out of the habit of putting one there.
It's not an abbreviation though, it's a contraction. If it starts and ends with the first and last letters of the word it is replacing, there is no full stop. For example Dr, Mr, Ltd and St, but if it doesn't then there is a full stop. Esq. Prof. Co. etc. A good example to explain this is, Rt Hon. which uses both a contraction and abbreviation.
And there was me saying I didn't want to be pedantic.
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Duke Eddington wrote:It's not an abbreviation though, it's a contraction. If it starts and ends with the first and last letters of the word it is replacing, there is no full stop. For example Dr, Mr, Ltd and St, but if it doesn't then there is a full stop. Esq. Prof. Co. etc. A good example to explain this is, Rt Hon. which uses both a contraction and abbreviation.
And there was me saying I didn't want to be pedantic.
True, since abbreviation and contraction have the same outcome, ie they result in a shortened version of the word.
However, whether abbreviation or contraction, traditional grammar requires a dot/point/stop to be placed after. Dr, Mr, Ltd, St all require stops. That is simply called full punctuation, as opposed to the more common open punctuation used today. It's purpose is to indicate something missing, which there is in both the contraction and the abbreviation (because a contraction is an abbreviation).
PS: I wouldn't take anything applied in Parliament as an indication of general usage!
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Donkey OTay wrote:'St' doesn't require a full stop, it is optional. There is no right or wrong. Refer to any dictionary including the OED.
Clearly you need to return to school as you cannot read. I was responding to the claim of PEDANTRY. Now, go look that word up if you don't understand its meaning.
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)
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Back to the topic ...
Since freezing rain is due in tomorrow and hail/snow is due in on Friday (oh so typical - Saints are playing!), I do hope the club thoroughly grit the concourses!
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)
Does anybody have any idea if they will be putting more seating in the founders bar? I went in before the Widnes match and it is a large space and it could benefit from some seating, would be a really great place to drink before the game.
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SaintsFan wrote:Back to the topic ...Since freezing rain is due in tomorrow and hail/snow is due in on Friday (oh so typical - Saints are playing!), I do hope the club thoroughly grit the concourses!
Errm, my post related directly to the topic. In that, I pointed out something out on one of the pictures on the 'Stadium Site pictures' thread. If you want to prattle on about the weather, I suggest you start another thread.
(Cue the searching of the 200 odd pages for the picture of a puddle, that may ice over)!
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