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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:05 pm 
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Saint Simon wrote:I'm guessing it'll be the firm last stadium! noone will want them after this and Barr and Langtree will be furious

I would imagine that will depend on what has actually gone wrong. (Although I think you can probably add a certain Mr McManus to the 'furious' list!)

The wind is hysterical again. I'm keeping everything crossed that the roof will stay on the stadium tonight!






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 Post subject: Re: Stadium Site pictures
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:39 pm 
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This firm may be inexperienced at building stadium roofs, but they are not inexperienced at fitting roofs full stop.
If they are a decent firm they will ensure they will learn from what has gone wrong with this roof at Saints and be better prepared for later projects.

I would suggest that the fact this firm has gained repeat orders from Tesco and was highly thought of by Barr, means they are most certainly seen as a reputable firm. Even good firms though sometimes come a cropper. Not always due to their own making.

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stop blaming the contractor, they are being given bad press on here, when no blame has been atributed to them, tipical of people who dont know what they are talking about. You would think the whole roof has blown off, i know its a bit inconvienent with a game a couple of weeks away, but it will get sorted. Like I keep saying it will be a design fault, things happen like this in design and build, thats how they learn to build better.

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zinser wrote:stop blaming the contractor, they are being given bad press on here, when no blame has been atributed to them, tipical of people who dont know what they are talking about. You would think the whole roof has blown off, i know its a bit inconvienent with a game a couple of weeks away, but it will get sorted. Like I keep saying it will be a design fault, things happen like this in design and build, thats how they learn to build better.


You are correct in as far that we don't know how things have gone wrong with the roof - and I hope there are not people still thinking that things have not gone wrong. It could be a design fault and nothing to do with the roofing company.

However, the point I was making was fair i.e. that this is a young roofing company with a modest turnover for which this is their first stadium roof project. It is blindingly obvious that putting secure roof's on Tesco stores is quite a lot different to putting a secure roof on a stadium.

I do not think its a good idea that "thats how they learn to build better" is a principle that should have been applied here. It makes Langtree Park sound like a biulding experiment.






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saint at wire wrote:I do not think its a good idea that "thats how they learn to build better" is a principle that should have been applied here. It makes Langtree Park sound like a biulding experiment.

While I appreciate your point, companies need to start somewhere. Barr will have been inexperienced at stadium builds at one time but then somebody took a punt on them and they now have valued experience. These guys in Carlisle will have learned a lot from the stadium project and we don't yet know why the damage has occurred. No signs of any reports about more damage this morning and yet the winds were just as bad if not worse last night. If there is no further damage today then that would suggest that either some miscalculation was made in terms of what was needed to secure the roof in the first place or something else entirely (ie nothing to do with the roofers) has caused the problem.






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well said saints fan. (we dont usually agree do we) Dont want to have to try and explain design and build, but its not the contractor who designs, the contractor does what it says on the plans, believe me, if anyone from the builders thought for one second it was the contractors fault they would be shouting it from the (damaged rooftop). there will be people now working out calculations to stop this happening again. Then we can move on, ill bet there has not been one building site ever without problems, its just one of those things, but our stadium is in the spotlight so everything is blown out of proportion

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saint at wire wrote:I do not think its a good idea that "thats how they learn to build better" is a principle that should have been applied here. It makes Langtree Park sound like a biulding experiment.

While I appreciate your point, companies need to start somewhere. Barr will have been inexperienced at stadium builds at one time but then somebody took a punt on them and they now have valued experience. These guys in Carlisle will have learned a lot from the stadium project and we don't yet know why the damage has occurred. No signs of any reports about more damage this morning and yet the winds were just as bad if not worse last night. If there is no further damage today then that would suggest that either some miscalculation was made in terms of what was needed to secure the roof in the first place or something else entirely (ie nothing to do with the roofers) has caused the problem.


I've no problem with any of this and companies do indeed have to start somewhere; However, I run a business and would not hire someone to do a specialised job for us who had not got the relevant experiance in that type of project - I'm probably a bit selfish and would let others take that risk first.

What is done is done and as you say, it could be a design problem and nothing to do with the roofers or it could be the actual instalation of the roof that was not done according to the design/plans. Hopefully it is not the roofing company ar fault as this would not be good for them as a growing company based in an area that needs jobs.

Whatever; but fingers crossed no more damage and it's a simple solution.
In any event we will be covered (no pun intended) its just how long it take to resolve the problem.
(The issue with wind damage to St George's stadium in Aus happened 2 months ago and they are still arguing who is to blame and which is the best way to fix it).






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I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!






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St_Cunningham_no9 wrote:http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/9455061.Road_closed_after_stadium_roof_damaged/?ref=twtrec

I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!


Quite!

It puts things into perspective.






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St_Cunningham_no9 wrote:http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/9455061.Road_closed_after_stadium_roof_damaged/?ref=twtrec

I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!







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