Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:05 pm
Big Graeme
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World of Redboy wrote:The police should have used water cannons on them at the very least.
You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:15 pm
Starbug
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Big Graeme wrote:You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.
The fact he suggestd their use would suggest he considers they should be available
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Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:31 pm
World of Redboy
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Big Graeme wrote:You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.
Big Graeme wrote:You'd have thought that after a couple of months it would have sunk through even the thickest scull, we didn't have water canon available to mainland forces at the time and even now they are only available at something like 24 hours notice.
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.
Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable''
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.
In words so simple even you can understand, the power to use something doesn't make it available for use, if you can show me where, on the mainland, water canon were based and able to be used you might have some argument.
32. The senior police officers we spoke to made it clear that the power to use equipment such as water cannon and baton rounds was available, but such equipment was not used because it was not considered suitable in the type of situations that they encountered.
Yes, it was available, but they chose not to use it.
As for inflaming the situation, well they shouldn't have been rioting in the first place.
In words so simple even you can understand, the power to use something doesn't make it available for use, if you can show me where, on the mainland, water canon were based and able to be used you might have some argument.
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:16 pm
World of Redboy
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This isn't about whether they were located in mainland britain, this is the fact that if the police had wanted to, they were available to have been sent across from Northern Ireland to be used. Therefore they were available to the police to get and use, or is that too simple for you to understand? The riots weren't just a one night showing.
Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable''
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:19 pm
Big Graeme
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World of Redboy wrote:This isn't about whether they were located in mainland britain, this is the fact that if the poice had wanted to, as they were available, to have got them sent across from Northern Ireland. Therefore they were available to use, or is that too simple for you to understand? The riots weren't just a one night showing.
"Hang on you rioting chaps, can you come back in 24-48 hours so we can sort out the water canon, see its in Northern Ireland at the moment and we need time to get them here"
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:10 pm
World of Redboy
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Big Graeme wrote:"Hang on you rioting chaps, can you come back in 24-48 hours so we can sort out the water canon, see its in Northern Ireland at the moment and we need time to get them here"
Yup, I'm sure that would have worked...
funnily enough, the rioters did do that.
Diablo1967 said ''A pub-landlord running a professional sporting outfit in the best league in the hemisphere? Laughable''
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:20 pm
Big Graeme
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World of Redboy wrote:funnily enough, the rioters did do that.
With 24 hours notice the old bill were able to put enough bodies on the ground that they could contain and end the riots, the reason the riots spread was it seemed like they'd lost control, it wasn't because they didn't have water canon or baton rounds to hand.
Post subject: Re: Seems like 'we' might start shooting people?
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:30 pm
Starbug
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Big Graeme wrote:With 24 hours notice the old bill were able to put enough bodies on the ground that they could contain and end the riots, the reason the riots spread was it seemed like they'd lost control, it wasn't because they didn't have water canon or baton rounds to hand.
Whereupon all the other cities and towns suffered because their coppers were saving London
If they had had wc and br to hand then they might not have lost control in the first place
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
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