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Rock God X wrote:
Horatio Yed wrote: But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him.
He's a rent-a-gob for a lunatic fringe party because he knows he'd never make it as a mainstream politician. That's not strength.
Having met the man (he's also a passionate sea angler), I cannot disagree. He's managed to get more than a few fellow sea anglers on his bandwaggon by simply taking an anti-CFP, anti-commercial fishing route. When I asked him how those who live too far from the sea or simply didn't want to climb on a boat (at not inconsiderable expense), or spend their time freezing on a beach, would get to eat fish, if it wasn't for commercial fishermen, he mumbled something about me not understanding the situation and then went back to his rods.
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sally cinnamon wrote:Thankfully David Cameron rejected this evil neoliberal deal and made sure that the UK had nothing to do with it. George Osborne has also increased borrowing by £158bn over the remainder of the parliament compared to his plans last year so the UK is making a strong independent stand for fiscal stimulus.
I'll save my celebration for when Cameron – or anyone else, for that matter – rejects neo-liberalism as a failed experiment that has done much damage to this country (and others) over three decades, and stops pretending that 'there is no alternative'.
And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.
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Mintball wrote:And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.
Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.
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Dally wrote:Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.
As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.
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Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Dally wrote:
Mintball wrote:And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.
Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.
It's patently fooking obvious that he doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't be borrowing even more than he said he would
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Dally wrote:Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.
As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.
Bit of a difference we were only competing with the USA in those days - and we still lost out to Germany and Japan! These days there is too much global competition - unless there was a very specific plan to prime a new industry where we had a lead it would be throwing good money after bad.
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Dally wrote:
Mintball wrote:
Dally wrote:Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.
As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.
Bit of a difference we were only competing with the USA in those days - and we still lost out to Germany and Japan! These days there is too much global competition - unless there was a very specific plan to prime a new industry where we had a lead it would be throwing good money after bad.
So we just build ever more supermarkets then?
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sanjunien wrote:
Kosh wrote:It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.
that's the problem
The problem is short term-ism brought about by an adherence to neo-liberalism. All of the edlder statesmen mentioned previously were not shackled by being wedded to that.
Even Tory governments before Thatcher had were not a slave to neo-liberalism so had outspoken characters in the party. Today being outspoken means being Eurosceptic and that is your lot.
Ken Clarke tried to be a bit radical and was shot down. There is far too little difference between parties and within them these days.
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Horatio Yed wrote:
Rock God X wrote: Farage is a total tossbag. He has not a single redeeming feature.
But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him. I'm not saying he'd be good as a leader of a country although i would like to see him win a seat in the commons just for more interest in PMQ's.
Plenty of people are not afraid to say what they think but it quite often lands them in trouble.
Rock God X wrote: Farage is a total tossbag. He has not a single redeeming feature.
But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him. I'm not saying he'd be good as a leader of a country although i would like to see him win a seat in the commons just for more interest in PMQ's.
It's easy to spout-off when you have been elected to a position you don't actually believe in. Being afraid isn't an issue.
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I'll save my celebration for when Cameron – or anyone else, for that matter – rejects neo-liberalism as a failed experiment that has done much damage to this country (and others) over three decades, and stops pretending that 'there is no alternative'.
