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Big Graeme wrote:
Kosh wrote:Definitely looks like Labour chose the wrong brother.
Labour shouldn't have even been thinking about those two, they should have been putting all their efforts into persuading Alan Johnson his future lay as leader.
After catching that rozzer nobbing his missus, I doubt he'd be up for the job mate.
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Wnidyone2012 wrote:So Gordon " Don't panic brown" is a testament to this is he?
Brown was never PM material IMO. Still a better one that Cameron when it comes to diplomacy though.
I think Brown got a harsh deal as PM. Blair stepped down just as things were about to get ugly, and whoever inherited that particular shitsandwich was going to struggle. I don't agree with everything (or even most things) Brown said or did, but I do think he had far more integrity than Cameron.
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Wnidyone2012 wrote:So Gordon " Don't panic brown" is a testament to this is he?
Brown was never PM material IMO. Still a better one that Cameron when it comes to diplomacy though.
I think Brown got a harsh deal as PM. Blair stepped down just as things were about to get ugly, and whoever inherited that particular shitsandwich was going to struggle. I don't agree with everything (or even most things) Brown said or did, but I do think he had far more integrity than Cameron.
Played a blinder did Blair, had Brown knocking on his bedroom door every morning for five years like a kid asking if it was christmas yet and was it today that he gets to be Prime Minister as promised, and all the while Blair was riding the wave until the last minute when he, but no-one else, could see it all starting to fall down - "Here's the keys Gordon, I've not left a forwarding address..."
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seems sad that the UK is lacking real parlementarians of the old school like (love 'em or loath 'em) Iain Macleod,Michael Foot,Enoch Powell and the ageing Tony Benn et al
the present lot appear to be a bunch of namby pamby plonkers...from all parties !
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sanjunien wrote:seems sad that the UK is lacking real parlementarians of the old school like (love 'em or loath 'em) Iain Macleod,Michael Foot,Enoch Powell and the ageing Tony Benn et al
the present lot appear to be a bunch of namby pamby plonkers...from all parties !
sorry,missed out John Smith...
They are around but they are not as young and photogenic as the ones we see on TV everyday, there is no way someone like John Smith would be a party leader today, his image just wouldn't fit.
Joined: Mar 28 2010 Posts: 5506 Location: Albi, France
Big Graeme wrote:
sanjunien wrote:seems sad that the UK is lacking real parlementarians of the old school like (love 'em or loath 'em) Iain Macleod,Michael Foot,Enoch Powell and the ageing Tony Benn et al
the present lot appear to be a bunch of namby pamby plonkers...from all parties !
sorry,missed out John Smith...
They are around but they are not as young and photogenic as the ones we see on TV everyday, there is no way someone like John Smith would be a party leader today, his image just wouldn't fit.
maybe but Iain Macleod is spoken by many as the best PM Britain never had...and John Smith has been given similar acolades over the years i'm not a Bennite (or any other 'ite') but he and Powell and Foot all with differing perspectives had so many intelligent things to say ! and were not frightened to say it. Todays' politicians just seem too frightened to come out with anything other than political rhetoric and party-line bilge...no body wants to come out and say what they REALLY think in fear of being called Politically Incorrect or whatever the current term is. at least Jean-Marie le Pen had the b@lls to say what he thought though this has ben somewhat toned down by his daughter unfortunately...
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Big Graeme wrote:They are around but they are not as young and photogenic as the ones we see on TV everyday, there is no way someone like John Smith would be a party leader today, his image just wouldn't fit.
It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.
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Kosh wrote:It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.
Kosh wrote:It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.
I don't think it's just the UK. Look at Berlusconi or Sarkozy. Even Obama has been much less effective on the international stage than his campaign promised. Though when you look at some of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, he looks positively awe-inspiring by comparison.
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