Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:03 pm
Dally
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Anakin Skywalker wrote:Actually lets get it right. She destroyed the mining industry because SHE WANTED TO DESTROY THE UNIONS. The unions were not the only ones looking for that fight Thatcher did as well. That is a big diffrence.
Yes, because they were wielding too much, undemocratic, power.
Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:06 pm
Dally
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Hull White Star wrote:Having been out of hospital for 8 weeks, all I saw on my orthopaedic ward was hard-working, understaffed, dedicated nurses. I have never seen morale so low either. I don't doubt what you say in your experience, but I've had 5 ops in the last 2 1/2 years and not once had I had a complaint about a nurse.
A few examples: 2 staff nurses for over 30 ladies. One staff nurse heavily pregnant and came in and was immediately sent home as she was sick. That left 1 staff nurse for a 13 hours shift and she even had time to come down to theatres with me. Second example: on my discharge the nurses put my prescription into pharmacy at 8am. By 2pm when no prescription was forthcoming, one particular staff nurse went down to pharmacy every half hour from 2pm till it was finally ready at 4.30pm. She didn't have to do that but did.
Imo its not the nurses who can't be bothered, they are let down by a system thats overloaded and bureaucracy thats in place.
I appreciate each person's experience and each hospital is different, as is ours. I can name the hospitals that have been shocking in our experience and can name others that have been excellent. But, the shocking ones are not, in our experience, isolated. Of course, individual nurses even in within a partcularly good or bad hospital can be outstanding.
Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:27 pm
Anakin Skywalker
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Dally wrote:Yes, because they were wielding too much, undemocratic, power.
Really? I always belived the folks is charge where elected by the union members? So when Dave goes to Europe and bends over and takes one he will obviously come back and give the people a referendum then? Seeing as that was what he promised before getting elected (So therefore one of the reasons he WAS elected) and what the 2011 bill says he should do if the EU treaty is changed.
You know seeing as we are talking about not doing things that are undemocratic.
Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:37 pm
Rock God X
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ROBINSON wrote:Well obviously, common sense tells you that each manager has control of his own department's budget, and will therefore know what he can and can't spend.
They're called MANAGERS for a reason.
Allow me to make it even simpler for you. If everyone is negotiating their own wage (and other conditions) individually, you can't just leave it up to individual department managers. What if all the cleaners deserved a raise, but none of the dinner ladies? If each department's budget is pre-determined, all those hard working cleaners would get a lower raise than they had deserved, whilst the dinner ladies would get a raise they hadn't warranted.
Either pay rises are negotiated collectively by a union, or everyone has the opportunity to negotiate for himself individually.
Aside from that, if a manager is responsible for, say, 50 staff, and he has to start negotiating pay, working hours, overtime, annual leave, pensions, sick pay etc etc with each one individually, he's not going to get a huge amount of managing done.
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Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:41 pm
Rock God X
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ROBINSON wrote:It depends when you start, really. Start one early enough (and keep it up) like you're advised to, then yes.
So tell us, how much should a person earning minimum wage be able to afford to put into his or her pension pot after paying for housing, heat, light and food?
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Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:47 pm
Hull White Star
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Rock God X wrote:So tell us, how much should a person earning minimum wage be able to afford to put into his or her pension pot after paying for housing, heat, light and food?
He can't probably cos he's never been in that situation. Unlike me who 14 years ago earned £7,500, was single, had a mortgage, bills and car to run.
I'd be interested to see if Robinson can at least have a guess at how much money I had left at the end of the month to put into a pension.
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Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:13 pm
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Dally wrote:I asked that previously!
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Post subject: Re: Bloody Trades Unions ballsing it up again
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:25 pm
Dally
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Anakin Skywalker wrote:Really? I always belived the folks is charge where elected by the union members?
The whole point was that they had destroyed the Heath government and WERE acting in an anti-democratic way. In case it escaped your notice, the union membership was a tiny, insignificant fraction of the UK electorate. The majority of UK voters severely disliked militant trade unionism. That seems to be a fact that still escapes people in / near to ex-mining towns.
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