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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:17 pm 
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Sandra The Terrorist wrote:Perhaps he just plans his journeys very well and knows where all the nicest service stations and cafés en route are.


Waste of time, he struggles to differentiate between something that enables a vehicle to stop and something to do once that vehicle has stopped.






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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:20 pm 
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cod'ead wrote:Waste of time, he struggles to differentiate between something that enables a vehicle to stop and something to do once that vehicle has stopped.


At least you got it...






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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:21 pm 
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Sal Paradise wrote:
Maybe what is required is everyone attend Cod-ed's school of motoring - he has never had to break unexpectedly in 30+ years of driving :D so he claims anyway :D


You are aware that I never, ever said I hadn't ever had to brake heavily?

What I did say was that my Advanced HGV training taught me better roadcraft and to be more aware of road/other driver situations. In fact the last time I had to brake suddenly was when a motorcyclist crossed the carriageway in front of my car. If I hadn't slowed first because I saw him getting out of shape on the opposite side of the road, he'd most likely have ended up going through my windscreen. In fact according to that map:

"This incident took place on the A371 in South Somerset at 3.11pm on 10 May 2009. One moptorbike and one car (not mine) were involved. The rider of the motorbike, a man aged 31, died"

The car that killed him was the one following me and after the motorcyclist hed passed in front of my car, he hit the hedge and bounced back out into the road. The Escourt behind me ran over him. Neither vehicles were insured






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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:27 pm 
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cod'ead wrote:If you're gonna have a pop, at least make even a cursory attempt at getting your facts right. It's only last month you were corrected on this matter in the M5 Fog thread

Is that right? You mean where several people were speculating about the cause of the crash - one of which was the firework smoke theory. I certainly don't recall ever being "corrected". In fact your penultimate post on the thread is precisely that - speculation on a theory. What I do recall is you crying about how the police were gathering statements, evidence and carrying out forensic investigation as though you knew better.

You're a little over-sensitive today ain'tcha? You're actually an idol of mine and I use your brave example and psychic roadcraft as inspiration every time I pop down to Asda.

With your visionary skills I'd never have hit that postman in 2007. True story dat.

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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:28 pm 
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Big Graeme wrote:The complete lack of compulsory motorway experience either pre or post test is frankly lethal.


Totally agree. I'm not the best driver in the world, but the lack of awareness of how to drive on a motorway(I DID have a motorway lesson) is astonishing and frankly, frightening.






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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:32 pm 
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Chris28 wrote:Totally agree. I'm not the best driver in the world,.


Bravo Sir. Most people would argue till they were blue in the face that they are better at driving than anyone, we've got a few on this thread who believe their training was better than anyone else's. It's refreshing to hear someone admit they are not Mr Perfect Driver.

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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:34 pm 
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Cronus wrote:Is that right? You mean where several people were speculating about the cause of the crash - one of which was the firework smoke theory. I certainly don't recall ever being "corrected". In fact your penultimate post on the thread is precisely that - speculation on a theory. What I do recall is you crying about how the police were gathering statements, evidence and carrying out forensic investigation as though you knew better.

You're a little over-sensitive today ain'tcha? You're actually an idol of mine and I use your brave example and psychic roadcraft as inspiration every time I pop down to Asda.

With your visionary skills I'd never have hit that postman in 2007. True story dat.


Look numb-nuts, you were corrected on your assertion that I was some legendary pathfinder, following my post on driving in fog from hartshead moor services.






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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"

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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:47 pm 
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cod'ead wrote:Look numb-nuts, you were corrected on your assertion that I was some legendary pathfinder, following my post on driving in fog from hartshead moor services.

Shattered. :(

Can I please hear the story again? :)

And can I please hear the one about the bike that missed you and hit the car behind, but the nasty coroner reckoned something else....oh dammit, too late.

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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
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Drivers obsess about motorway driving because it affects them & their perceived safety, when infact it accounts for a small proportion of deaths on the roads. Where we should be concentrating efforts is on stopping & banning dangerous drivers in urban areas. Something like a quarter of those killed annually are pedestrians, we are restricting children's independent mobility due to fear of urban traffic & our record of child & elderly pedestrian safety is worse than the Eurpoean average.






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 Post subject: Re: Death on the UK roads
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Saddened! wrote:It's refreshing to hear someone admit they are not Mr Perfect Driver.


I don't think anyone is a perfect driver. Anyone who says they are is probably so arrogant about their driving that they're worse than most.






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