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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Try
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:16 pm 
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Wildmoose wrote:Spot on. More posters need to read this.

Or alternatively, read the actual laws of the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Try
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:20 pm 
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It was a high shot from Thurston. Hall still had hold of the ball before Lewis's leg hit his arm and knocked the ball out. Thurston's high shot did not stop him from scoring.

Therefore it was not a penalty try.

The video ref had a shocker really awarding that and denying the second Aussie try after about 20 mins for offside. These things happen though.

I agree with the Australian media. It was never a penalty try.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:24 pm 
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Kiwi Shane wrote:It was a high shot from Thurston. Hall still had hold of the ball before Lewis's leg hit his arm and knocked the ball out. Thurston's high shot did not stop him from scoring.

Therefore it was not a penalty try.

The video ref had a shocker really awarding that and denying the second Aussie try after about 20 mins for offside. These things happen though.

I agree with the Australian media. It was never a penalty try.


So at what point do you just give a penalty and ignore the scoring potential ?

10 yards , 5 , 1 , 6 inches ?

What is the punishment for a deliberate attack to the head ?

Since when does making one bad decision mean you ignore a blatant penalty , where is that in the rules ?

Simple questions even for a Kiwi , I await some simple answers ?






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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Try
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:29 pm 
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Starbug wrote:So at what point do you just give a penalty and ignore the scoring potential ?

10 yards , 5 , 1 , 6 inches ?

What is the punishment for a deliberate attack to the head ?

Since when does making one bad decision mean you ignore a blatant penalty , where is that in the rules ?

Simple questions even for a Kiwi , I await some simple answers ?



The simple answer is in the simple reply I gave above.

Hall was still in control of the ball after Thurstons high challenge. Therefore no penalty try.

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Kiwi Shane wrote:It was a high shot from Thurston. Hall still had hold of the ball before Lewis's leg hit his arm and knocked the ball out. Thurston's high shot did not stop him from scoring.

Therefore it was not a penalty try.

The video ref had a shocker really awarding that and denying the second Aussie try after about 20 mins for offside. These things happen though.

I agree with the Australian media. It was never a penalty try.

So Thurston's head shot had no effect on the act of Hall moving to ground the ball? And I also believe the act of knocking the attacker senseless with your knees (accidental or not) is illegal.

Did you think the penalty try decision in the 2008 World Cup Final was correct?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:31 pm 
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As clear a penalty try as you will see.
Thurston's illegal contact with the head almost knocked Hall unconscious, and therefore he struggled to ground the ball. If he hadn't been half-comotosed, the probability of him scoring was higher than the probability of him not scoring.

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Kiwi Shane wrote:The simple answer is in the simple reply I gave above.

Hall was still in control of the ball after Thurstons high challenge. Therefore no penalty try.


Fella, I've seen players knocked out cold and be unconscious before they hit the ground but they still keep hold of the ball, does that mean they weren't affected by the high shot?

It was a clear penalty try and Thurston should have walked for a deliberate attack to the head, Lewis should have been spoken to about the grubby act of sliding in with his knees. Had Isaac Luke done that every Australian commentator, journalist and pundit would be spewing about it, talk about hypocritical!






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Kiwi Shane wrote:The simple answer is in the simple reply I gave above.

Hall was still in control of the ball after Thurstons high challenge. Therefore no penalty try.


So it's ok to smack somebody unconscious as long as they don't let go of the ball ?

How about it's ok to attempt to break somebodys leg , as long as you don't actually succeed in doing it ?

Answer the simple questions I asked you

At what point do you decide it wasn't a try scoring penalty , 10 yards ? , 5 ? , 1 ? , six inches ?

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It was a clear high shot but definitely not a penalty try. If anything Hall milked it like Westwood did the other week.

We won't agree on this one, the video ref (in my opinion) got it wrong (the same as he got the Aussie no try call wrong on 20 mins)

Lets move on.

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Cronus wrote:So Thurston's head shot had no effect on the act of Hall moving to ground the ball? And I also believe the act of knocking the attacker senseless with your knees (accidental or not) is illegal.

Did you think the penalty try decision in the 2008 World Cup Final was correct?


it was definitely the knees that caused the penalty try to be given. to use your conditions, you yourself said it was the knee that knocked the ball out, but then the knees carried on and collided with halls head. this, if lacking intent was wreckless play that is regularly penalised. therefore a penalty was conceded that stopped the try from being scored. penalty try.

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