Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:52 pm
j.c
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 05 2009 Posts: 6858
Ovavoo wrote:Don't agree here. There is and always has been a condescending attitude to RL from the hierarchy at BBC.
Considering how little national media coverage we get, it's amazing just how well placed within the nations sporting psyche RL is.
Now the sports desk has moved to Salford, especially if Salford themselves start to do something, hopefully, we will get more of shot. They definitely owe it to us.
I don't think thats true.I would say the attitude towards rl only began when sky came in and financed SL and then the situation was made worse when RU went pro.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:40 am
MjM
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 6830 Location: The Motorway City of the 1970s
j.c wrote:I don't think thats true.I would say the attitude towards rl only began when sky came in and financed SL
Not sure if that is the case or not but if it was it is revealing too. There was that Five Live hatchet job a decade or so back which involved some Sheffield student's university thesis but tied in with that I well remember a top BBC bod's comment "well Rugby League has sold its soul to Sky".
And that sums up to me the mentality - conscious or not - amongst some at the BBC: other sports negotiate TV deals; Rugby League "sells its soul".
It's a short reverse step to understand the original thought - that Rugby League should know its place, that Rugby League should be grateful for what it gets, that Rugby League isn't a sport which can be considered or should be treated as mainstream.
Let all the doubters keep doubting and those who believe keep believing.
We’re only interested in those in the bubble. Anyone who wants to come in the bubble, you can come in.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:04 am
Georgie Best on a Bloomer
Player Coach
Joined: Sep 12 2008 Posts: 1430 Location: Gone
TBH in the 1970s (OK, I was a kid and my memory isn't that brilliant AND I lived in the BBC North area), but I seem to remember that RL was a staple of BBC Sport.
They used to broadcast matches from the County Cups, Player's No. 6 Trophy (which became the Regal Trophy), Challenge Cup and Premiership Trophy. These were spread throughout the season and action seemed to be on "Grandstand" a lot of the time. There was also the BBC2 Floodlit Trophy which was midweek (Tuesdays?) where you got a live second half and some highlights.
However, the sporting focus of the country seems to have changed and football (which I really don't find at all interesting) became the focus of all sports reporting about the time that Sky started up. I don't understand why, because the reasons seem a bit unclear, but it's now got to a stage where even during the off-season, sports reporters want to talk about football than Cricket, RL or anything else. And if you live away from "t'north", there's very little chance of reading (or hearing) much about RL via the mainstream press.
However, because of the internet, we can actually make a difference by positively contributing to the internet world, such as forums like this, but also the BBC's forums and e-mailing and tweeting the BBC's coverage programmes, showing that there's a good, strong following out there who are passionate about the sport. For me, it was refreshing to hear Nicky Campbell talking positively about RL on 5 Live yesterday morning at a time when I reckon the audience would have been very large (it was about 8.15). When the BBC completes its move to Salford, we may begin to look a bit more mainstream to them and get broader coverage.
Only time will tell. I reckon, though, if more of us take time to positively contribute to the BBC's programmes, it can only do the sport good.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:45 am
McClennan
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 27757 Location: In rocket surgery
Well Colin Murray just gave a big thumbs up for England and was bigging up our game and its players saying they're "Straight forward, honest and modest". I get a sense amongst the real sports fans i.e. not the golf/RU fairweather sects, that people want us to achieve not for the country but for the sport and the people that participate in or follow it. That's a nice feeling to have.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:28 pm
Chris Dalton
International Board Member
Joined: Feb 23 2003 Posts: 28736 Location: Home of the Mighty Widnes Vikings
Dear Senior BBC executive,
I wish to register a severe and harsh complaint regarding your lack of blanket coverage of my sporting event happening in three days time. I am of course referring to the Four Nations Rugby League final although you'll need to be looking this up some time soon as apparently you don't know what it is as you haven't mentioned it on this particular day and I know some radio hosts did but that's not good enough.
I note that you spent an inordinate amount of time discussing a murder, which effected only one person directly and maybe seventeen affected by proxy, whereas my sporting event affects many more than one plus seventeen. You then had a segment called "the weather", which seems to get an inordinate amount of time given that it happens every day. It seemed to follow the exact same vein as yesterdays "weather" too. Perhaps you could cut this until a change happens? "This week will be mostly drizzle, but I'll let you know if this changes, or look out of a window instead. Here's the rugby league with Clare Balding", something like that.
There was then to my shock and anger a segment about foreign politics. Something called Greece something something Germany. Why oh why do you concentrate on things abroad rather than things happening in this country? I raised this issue regarding a famine in Africa last year and received no reply. The Four Nations is happening in this country you morans.
Now whilst it would be too much to ask to get leading story status on your programme for a week (would it?) but then we come to the sport bulletin. You only ever seem interested in Association Football. Is this really the be all and end all of current sporting status with the public in this country? It turns out it is but should it be? A bunch of hair obsessed diving cheats should not be discussed with the same reverence as men such as Sean Long and Sam Tomkins.
And then you bring in the Vichy government sponsored, old tie wearing Rugby Union, a sport only monitored by monocle wearing facists called Rupert Smythington Smythe. This is an appalling outrage. John Inverdale has all the class of Alan Partridge, and whilst I appreciate this, and his jumpers, and 1970s hair styles (why oh why we went away from this I will never know) I get the distinct impression the man doesn't like rugby league.
Why do you not give rugby league the respect it deserves you snotty nosed, snooty, disgraceful B****** C*** F******s. Until you engage with us in a respectful, meaningful way I will not only boycott the BBC for ever (except Bargain Hunt of course) but I will also protest outside your house, try to get you fired, open a petition with the united nations to have you executed and tell walkers to stop selling you smokey bacon crisps (and I know this is your favourite flavour as I happen to be stalking you so don't deny it.)
I will do the above and more unless you answer the ultimate question.
Why don't you like us?
Every bit of coverage seems begrudging, however small. Why is this, you imbecile?
Yours faithfully.
A disgruntled viewer.
P.S. Any chance of getting in the audience for Question Time? I love that show.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:36 pm
Seth
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 16 2004 Posts: 6720 Location: Meltham
Wembley71 wrote: Turing up and buying tickets and getting behind our game, getting involved with the local club or refereeing or playing touch or bringing mates along or starting a works' touch league etc etc etc... that's the other thing to do. Be proactive, make the game bigger, tell people how much it means and it matters, and do your bit.
A bit of positivity in the RL community? Maybe it could catch on. Maybe it could be what we're known for? Now, that would be a national news story!
Well said Negativity and moaning is never productive in any walk of life, a can do attitude will make a difference. Fans asking themselves what can I do to promote the game in a positive way...by the way posting 10 times a day on a message board doesn't count!
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:46 pm
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
Urmston Wire wrote:And on another note, Radio 2 mentioned the World Trampoling Championship earlier this week in the sports news. Bizarre.
England do have the ladies WORLD CHAMPION in trampolining though Seriously, we do get the rough end of the stick with regard to broadcasting to the nation much to do with historical and political reasons however the failing of the leaders within the RFL in the late 70s & 80s not wanting league games on TV as it would effect attendances (many fans of the time also did not want this for fear of the same) is as much to blame. They failed to promote the game at all within the national media so it isn't just the BBC at fault.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:01 pm
tw15
International Star
Joined: Jul 22 2011 Posts: 164
Boxing has fallen off the radar as well - another sport that moved across to Sky. Snooker's something else that seems to have lost the BBC's interest.
Unfortunately, RL hasn't had many new stories to interest mainstream journalists. Australia always win, and the feeling is the same teams win SL.
If England could beat the Aussies, there might be more interest. If London or Catalans end up in a final, then again there's something new to interest the casual sports journo and fan.
I think Radio 5 is fair; it's the BBC TV News sports reporters who seem to be clueless about the sport.
4 times as many people play Union than League in a month, and the match attendances are probably bigger too, so the other code is likely to receive more coverage.
Post subject: Re: The "Great" British Broadcasting Corporation
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:06 pm
Hopie
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 5442 Location: Aberdeen
ITV news announced the result on their evening broadcast, a victory for the Wallabies
“You are playing a game of football this afternoon but more than that you are playing for England, and more even than that, you are playing for right versus wrong. You will win because you have to win. Don’t forget that message from home. England expects every one of you to do his duty.”
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