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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:46 pm 
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Or flogging Britoil.

What did those Norwegians think they were doing, holding on to Statoil? After all, all the dopey buggers have done with it is used it to fund the Norwegian pension fund. They could've flogged it off too and let their mates pis the proceeds against the wall






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:05 pm 
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Dally wrote:The immediate future looks bad for banks, so you could argue it's a good, albeit desperate, time to sell.

The banks themselves don't have much confidence - announced job lossses - Llotds 14,000, Bank of America 30,000, HSBC 30,000, etc, etc


Do not forget this is the "good" part of the bank with all the toxic debt removed. That is why Virgin Money have bought it.

Virgin Money intend to float the bank on the stock market within two to five years. When they do they will expect to make money on that transaction meaning they will and the taxpayer won't.

If Virgin are going to do that this confirms that our idiot of a Chancellor could have held onto the bank and done the same thing and the sale would then be for our benefit as tax payers not Virgin Money's.

He has clearly sold the taxpayer short so he can try and meet his politically inspired target of deficit reduction before 2015 (which looks ever more unlikely by the day) so this is a prime example of short term idiot thinking that not only sells the taxpayer short now but hands a profit to Virgin Money in a few years we the taxpayer should have got.

Virgin have bought this to sell it so they clearly think money is to be made on the deal. Money Osborne has ensured will go to a company rather than into the public coffers.

I was going to say this shows his incompetence but in actual fact it is typically Tory letting his City mates make a profit at the ordinary persons expense.






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:08 pm 
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This may not be the best time to sell, but it will not be possible to sell all of the nationalised banks at the optimum time. The amounts involved are so big, dwarfing the total of all previous privatisations, that the sales will have to be staggered over many years. The biggest tranches do need to be sold at a better time, but the smaller banks will be sold when market conditions are not necessarily ideal. If NR isnt sold now it almost certainly will not be sold in a couple of years time if conditions are better, because that's when tranches of RBS or Lloyds will be sold.

I have no idea whether Virgin are paying the right place, but the mere fact that NR is being sold at a loss is largely irrelevant, its spilt milk. The issue is whether Virgin or anyone else would be willing to pay more.

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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:23 am 
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DaveO wrote:Do not forget this is the "good" part of the bank with all the toxic debt removed. That is why Virgin Money have bought it.

Virgin Money intend to float the bank on the stock market within two to five years. When they do they will expect to make money on that transaction meaning they will and the taxpayer won't.

If Virgin are going to do that this confirms that our idiot of a Chancellor could have held onto the bank and done the same thing and the sale would then be for our benefit as tax payers not Virgin Money's.

He has clearly sold the taxpayer short so he can try and meet his politically inspired target of deficit reduction before 2015 (which looks ever more unlikely by the day) so this is a prime example of short term idiot thinking that not only sells the taxpayer short now but hands a profit to Virgin Money in a few years we the taxpayer should have got.

Virgin have bought this to sell it so they clearly think money is to be made on the deal. Money Osborne has ensured will go to a company rather than into the public coffers.

I was going to say this shows his incompetence but in actual fact it is typically Tory letting his City mates make a profit at the ordinary persons expense.


you are assuming that the UK Government would add the same amount of value to the bank as Virgin Money will do over the next few years. Doe the UK Government not have better things to be doing than running a retail bank anyway...?






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:29 am 
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DaveO wrote:Do not forget this is the "good" part of the bank with all the toxic debt removed. That is why Virgin Money have bought it.

Virgin Money intend to float the bank on the stock market within two to five years. When they do they will expect to make money on that transaction meaning they will and the taxpayer won't.

If Virgin are going to do that this confirms that our idiot of a Chancellor could have held onto the bank and done the same thing and the sale would then be for our benefit as tax payers not Virgin Money's.

He has clearly sold the taxpayer short so he can try and meet his politically inspired target of deficit reduction before 2015 (which looks ever more unlikely by the day) so this is a prime example of short term idiot thinking that not only sells the taxpayer short now but hands a profit to Virgin Money in a few years we the taxpayer should have got.

Virgin have bought this to sell it so they clearly think money is to be made on the deal. Money Osborne has ensured will go to a company rather than into the public coffers.

I was going to say this shows his incompetence but in actual fact it is typically Tory letting his City mates make a profit at the ordinary persons expense.


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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:25 am 
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Andy Gilder wrote:Probably not, which makes it a ridiculous time to sell when the price you can get is going to be so low.


But what if you need the money? The government does, because the last government p155ed everything up the wall.






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
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ROBINSON wrote:But what if you need the money? The government does, because the last government p155ed everything up the wall.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not that one again






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
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cod'ead wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not that one again


Mate, covering your eyes and pretending something you don't like is not there only works when you're a baby.






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:55 am 
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ROBINSON wrote:But what if you need the money? The government does, because the last government p155ed everything up the wall.

Check again.
Compare against the debt left by the government before that, the blue one.






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 Post subject: Re: Virgin Money acquires Northern Rock
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:05 am 
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ROBINSON wrote:Mate, covering your eyes and pretending something you don't like is not there only works when you're a baby.


Would that be a baby who can't read or understand figures from before the financial crash and figures from the government before May 1997?

Or one who is so blinded by ideology that they keep hoping that if they just keep claiming that black is white and visa versa it'll be so?






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