You've missed out him playing in France , but having said that , Leroys a really nice guy , always had a smile on his face , even when being told off for doing really daft stuff
And looking at that list above , that isn't a bad career actually , he'll be getting on a bit now , and at the end of the day , nobody can take away those tries in the Cup final
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Him wrote:Penny - he was hyped up beyond belief, anyone could see the serious deficiencies in his game in both attack and defence. He was fast, that's it.
Thorman - looked class at London, IIRC he started well at the Eels but then was dropped and it seemed to shatter his confidence. He was d1cked around a bit by the coaches at both Huddersfield and Hull which obviously didn't help him regain any kind of form. He obviously had talent, it justwasnt always transferred onto the pitch.
Calderwood - a better version of Penny, he had much better skills than Penny but still struggled a bit with attitude and with being anything more than just a fast player. The move to Wigan was a disaster for him, should've stayed at Leeds and won 3 more Grand Finals. However would have struggled to get in the team past Hall and Donald was a much better winger in my opinion.
To call Calders just 'a better version of Penny' is way off the mark. Calderwood could defend, was an excellent marker tackler, very good positionally & was an annoying poop which worked to his teams advantage for the most part. I'm not saying he is any better than Hall or Donald offensively (his try scoring record does speak for itself though!) but I'd have him in front of a lot of SL wingers if he were a couple of years younger & not injury prone.
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:To call Calders just 'a better version of Penny' is way off the mark. Calderwood could defend, was an excellent marker tackler, very good positionally & was an annoying poop which worked to his teams advantage for the most part. I'm not saying he is any better than Hall or Donald offensively (his try scoring record does speak for itself though!) but I'd have him in front of a lot of SL wingers if he were a couple of years younger & not injury prone.
His defence was average, no more than that, and whilst he was useful at marker sometimes, that's not where you want your winger defending. I agree I'd have him in front of a lot of SL wingers but that's because a lot of SL wingers are either not really wingers or are rubbish. Currently I'd have Hall, Jones-Bishop, Charnley, Richards, Monaghan, Foster, Briscoe & Blanch ahead of Calderwood even in his prime.
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Offside Monkey wrote:Will either be ripping it up for someone like Hull come 2014, or touring the world in the ridiculous Rugby Union 7's circuit.
Envy is a terrible sin. Given the choice........St Helens v London Broncos in front of 5,000 fans or.........Australia, Dubai, South Africa, New Zealand, USA, Japan, Hong Kong, Scotland and England for great weekends of sport played out in front of capacity crowds (NZ sold out in 15 minutes).......?
The IRB 7's would get a player more exposure and publicity than plying their trade along the M62 or in NSW.....and the opportunity to win an Olympic Gold. WTF is it with League fans that they need to constantly attempt to have a pop at Union whilst, 95% of the time, looking like bitter bigots with a massive chip on their shoulders?
Back on thread.....Penny, without a doubt!
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Him wrote:His defence was average, no more than that, and whilst he was useful at marker sometimes, that's not where you want your winger defending. I agree I'd have him in front of a lot of SL wingers but that's because a lot of SL wingers are either not really wingers or are rubbish. Currently I'd have Hall, Jones-Bishop, Charnley, Richards, Monaghan, Foster, Briscoe & Blanch ahead of Calderwood even in his prime.
You don't want him making marker tackles but if there's no bugger else to make the tackle in the first place and/or it robs the opposition of a play don't you see that as a plus rather than a negative. Especially if it gives your forwards a breather and lets the defensive line be better placed for the tackle afterwards? I don't see many if any wingers able to do that in SL at the moment.. I haven't seen many wingers make as many marker tackles as he did AND you don't know where in the field of play they were made. To even mention him in the same breath as Penny is an insult, to suggest he's a just a better Penny is plainly inaccurate. And Calders is a lot better than BJB, he's got a long way to go but has bags of potential.
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gutterfax wrote::CRAZY: Envy is a terrible sin. Given the choice........St Helens v London Broncos in front of 5,000 fans or.........Australia, Dubai, South Africa, New Zealand, USA, Japan, Hong Kong, Scotland and England for great weekends of sport played out in front of capacity crowds (NZ sold out in 15 minutes).......?
The IRB 7's would get a player more exposure and publicity than plying their trade along the M62 or in NSW.....and the opportunity to win an Olympic Gold. WTF is it with League fans that they need to constantly attempt to have a pop at Union whilst, 95% of the time, looking like bitter bigots with a massive chip on their shoulders?
Back on thread.....Penny, without a doubt!
Steady on old chap. I spent 20 years of my life playing rugby union and am not long retired. You'll not find many (if any) anti union comments coming from my direction, but don't tell me Henry Paul (who did the above) looks back on his career and thinks of his time RU7s as the bit where he fufilled his potential and acheived the most (although it may have been the most fun)?
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Him wrote:His defence was average, no more than that, and whilst he was useful at marker sometimes, that's not where you want your winger defending. I agree I'd have him in front of a lot of SL wingers but that's because a lot of SL wingers are either not really wingers or are rubbish. Currently I'd have Hall, Jones-Bishop, Charnley, Richards, Monaghan, Foster, Briscoe & Blanch ahead of Calderwood even in his prime.
Calderwood was the best winger in the SL in his last 2 years at Leeds. A 2004-06 Calderwood would still be amongst the best wingers in the league. To say the likes of Charnley, Blanch and Foster are better that Calderwood at his peak is ridiculous IMO
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Tommy Duckfingers wrote:Survey said: PING!
Reckon he's got to be a contender.
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