dirtbag83 wrote:Chris Thorman? His move to the NRL seems a long time ago now, although he's still playing full-time at York I guess
I always thought it was Thorman's move to the Eels that ruined him. When he was at London he was a great prospect with a decent kicking game and an excellent running game who was on the cusp of GB selection. When he came back he looked slow and looked like he had the flair coached out of him. Shame really.
King Monkey wrote:Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
Offside Monkey wrote:Will either be ripping it up for someone like Hull come 2014, or touring the world in the ridiculous Rugby Union 7's circuit.
If Chris Ashton can hide away in defence and become a star for England RU then Eastmond can certainly do the same.
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I don't think it was coached out of Penny at all. He was and will always be rubbish in defence and will never offer anything more than being able to run pretty quick down a touch line.
I remember when HKR played Warrington in a pre-season game a few years back and Ben Cockayne made Penny look like he had concrete in his boots going 90yrds and was being chased down better by forwards. Think his cards were marked even back then.
Think many youngsters should take a long hard look at Penny and realise being a c0cky person at a young age can come and bite you on your backside. Jamie Foster especially should IMO not get too big for his boots, there have been prospects just as good as him in the past that haven't made it I am sure.
Charlie Sheen wrote:I always thought it was Thorman's move to the Eels that ruined him. When he was at London he was a great prospect with a decent kicking game and an excellent running game who was on the cusp of GB selection. When he came back he looked slow and looked like he had the flair coached out of him. Shame really.
He was absolutely horrendous at Hull, one of the worst players ever to wear the Black And White. 2009 wasn't a vintage year for the club in the slightest, but his passionless, slow performances hardly helped matters.
Charlie Sheen wrote:I always thought it was Thorman's move to the Eels that ruined him. When he was at London he was a great prospect with a decent kicking game and an excellent running game who was on the cusp of GB selection. When he came back he looked slow and looked like he had the flair coached out of him. Shame really.
I always put it down to being shoved to fullback. Seemed to lose a lot of confidence after that.
Then, when he came to FC, after some dire showings the crowd really got on his back - it was actually kinda cruel - which can't have helped him. Definitely turned him against us (didn't he once give us the v at Cas away?).
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Penny - he was hyped up beyond belief, anyone could see the serious deficiencies in his game in both attack and defence. He was fast, that's it.
Thorman - looked class at London, IIRC he started well at the Eels but then was dropped and it seemed to shatter his confidence. He was d1cked around a bit by the coaches at both Huddersfield and Hull which obviously didn't help him regain any kind of form. He obviously had talent, it justwasnt always transferred onto the pitch.
Calderwood - a better version of Penny, he had much better skills than Penny but still struggled a bit with attitude and with being anything more than just a fast player. The move to Wigan was a disaster for him, should've stayed at Leeds and won 3 more Grand Finals. However would have struggled to get in the team past Hall and Donald was a much better winger in my opinion.
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