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Dally wrote:One thing I feel guilty of is rarely (if ever) buying a poppy. Whilst I do like to remember the fallen and have visited war cemetries and cenotaphs, I have always felt that the overt wearing of a poppy as well as paying respects to the fallen (which I like to do) also serves to glorify war publicly. It is for the latter reason that I have always been uncomfortable with it. Far better to remember quitely on your own, IMO (rather like being humble and quiet about giving to charity). I now await the inevitable criticism for being unpatriotic, etc.
I am not one who frequently agrees with you, Dally, but I come very close on this.
I don't begrudge the money in any way, shape or form – although I do get annoyed that our governments do not properly look after the men and women they send to their dirty work, and rely instead on our charity.
Personally, I've never felt that the poppy glorifies war – I've always seen it simply as a remembrance thing. But I do understand why some might.
I do wonder, sometimes, about how many people buy one without really thinking abut the meaning: does that matter?
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Mintball wrote:I am not one who frequently agrees with you, Dally, but I come very close on this.
I don't begrudge the money in any way, shape or form – although I do get annoyed that our governments do not properly look after the men and women they send to their dirty work, and rely instead on our charity.
Personally, I've never felt that the poppy glorifies war – I've always seen it simply as a remembrance thing. But I do understand why some might.
I do wonder, sometimes, about how many people buy one without really thinking abut the meaning: does that matter?
It may not glorify war per se but it has instuitionalised / 'establishmentised' the act of remembrance in a way that arguably serves to encourage rather than deter further generations of would-be soldiers.
Dally wrote:One thing I feel guilty of is rarely (if ever) buying a poppy. Whilst I do like to remember the fallen and have visited war cemetries and cenotaphs, I have always felt that the overt wearing of a poppy as well as paying respects to the fallen (which I like to do) also serves to glorify war publicly. It is for the latter reason that I have always been uncomfortable with it. Far better to remember quietly on your own, IMO (rather like being humble and quiet about giving to charity). I now await the inevitable criticism for being unpatriotic, etc.
Not at all, stick a quid in the collecting tin and help the RBLA do the work that HM Government should be doing but won't - you don't have to take or wear a poppy.
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McLaren_Field wrote:Not at all, stick a quid in the collecting tin and help the RBLA do the work that HM Government should be doing but won't - you don't have to take or wear a poppy.
Good point. In fact, I think I may have done that when I was younger.
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Dally wrote:One thing I feel guilty of is rarely (if ever) buying a poppy. Whilst I do like to remember the fallen and have visited war cemetries and cenotaphs, I have always felt that the overt wearing of a poppy as well as paying respects to the fallen (which I like to do) also serves to glorify war publicly. It is for the latter reason that I have always been uncomfortable with it. Far better to remember quietly on your own, IMO (rather like being humble and quiet about giving to charity). I now await the inevitable criticism for being unpatriotic, etc.
tbh thats I'd agree with all the above, aside from feeling guilty about not buying a poppy. I'll drop a few quid in the collections, but can't remember the last time I took a poppy.
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The major problem I found with poppies was the fact the bloody things would never stay on anything for more than 10 minutes. So this year I bought a couple of the poppy lapel pins, at least they stay where you want them
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Been listening to the Jeremy Vine "The Songs My Son Loved" items this week, very touching, hard to listen to but also uplifting - there are five half hour interviews this week with mothers who's sons have died in Iraq or Afghanistan, speaking of their lads and playing music that they found on their iPods after they had died - they are appearing on the BBC R2 iPlayer page as they are broadcast, have a listen.
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Friday will be a bit more special for me. It would've been my old man's 90th birthday, so at 11.00am on Friday 11 November 2011, I'll be pouring a dram and drinking to you pop.
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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cod'ead wrote:Friday will be a bit more special for me. It would've been my old man's 90th birthday, so at 11.00am on Friday 11 November 2011, I'll be pouring a dram and drinking to you pop.
Our old men share a birthday then, mine was born 11/11/23 so thats, erm 88 then ?
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Joined: May 25 2002 Posts: 37704 Location: Zummerzet, where the zoider apples grow
Mine will be Captain Morgan rum and Stones ginger wine, the old man's favourite tipple 'til he developed type 2 diabetes and they told him to drink whisky instead. After that it was 1 litre of Bells a day
The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan
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