Joined: Dec 21 2004 Posts: 23178 Location: Greatness
Deano G wrote:So. His appointment was a big story in RL back in April. He may not have been widely known at that time outside RL circles - in which he has been highly rated for some time (otherwise it's doubtful whether he could have gone straight from Wigan to a big NRL club even after the success he had last year, they just don't rate SL, and who can blame them).
But to say that he isn't a big name now is just ridiculous. The article you have cited (rather unhelpfully for a lot of the other Wire fans on this thread, I doubt they'll thank you for it ) describes Souths as "one of the world's most famous rugby league clubs".
There has been a lot of press interest around his signing (because of the status of Souths, Madge's track record and the esteem he is held in by people like Bellamy as quoted in the article) because its one of the big NRL clubs, with perhaps the highest profile due to its history, fan base and ownership.
To say that their new coach isn't a big name is ridiculous. The obvious analogy would be Villas-Boas (not quite the same because he hasn't been a figure known in English football, whereas Madge was assistant coach at a leading NRL side). Would you say that he wasn't a big name in English football the moment his appointment was announced? Bizarre.
Not sure where you guys are going with this anti-Madge campaign. You've just won the LLS after a great league campaign and you are very well poised going into the play-offs. Why you're all taking time out to bash Madge in such ridiculous terms (Bodyline? Don Revie? "Despised" His achievements tainted etc etc) is beyond me. It is funny though!
Andre Villas Boas wasn't a big name or well known before he came the premier league...at all.
Joined: Feb 05 2010 Posts: 8019 Location: South Stand.....bored
Deano G wrote:D'oh. Another one that doesn't understand the status of Souths in Oz.
...and the status of Souths in Oz is exactly what.
They are a club who haven't achieved anything of note in decades. Do we now start bigging-up Huddersfield's next coach, simply because they've had a successful history, and the game originated there. and WOW, they've got an actor as an owner, we truly aren't worthy to be in the company of such greatness.
You're just trying to pour 'over-exagerated' praise on a coach, who was third tier, at his previous Oz club.
Dear oh dear, you're getting desperate.
If you want to carry on, 'burying your head in the sand', plainly ignoring the underhand tactics Fadge has brought to your club, then fine. Fadge has been a big name (in ENGLISH Rugby League circles) for what, 18 months. When he goes back to Oz, he'll (probably) become yet another coach. Replaced at Souths in a couple of season's time, when the 'emperor's new clothes' coach hasn't acheived his goals. I only hope South's fans can put up with his 'brand' of rugby.
Sadly many fans in this country are just fans of their own club rather than being RL fans who support a particular club.
Wigan fans have their faults - pessimism, arrogance and a hint of paranoia (though everybody does hate us ) but one thing most of us can't be accused of is not thinking about the wider game. (There are many other good things about Wigan fans but I won't upset you by listing them). The best example of this would be that when the SC was brought in most Wigan fans (myself included) at the time were supportive because we thought (wrongly) that it would really benefit the game as a whole, even though it was likely not to help Wigan in the short/medium term.
The other reason you should care is that if you are expressing a view on someone else's opinions it is best to have some knowledge of the subject.
I am an RL fan, but i don't care about a clubs history in another comp. I wonder if you cared about South's history before you tried to use it to big up your outgoing messiah. Surely he couldn't be leaving the biggest club in RL for a crap team in the NRL? could he?
Like i said i'd more concerned about that if i were you.
Joined: Mar 07 2007 Posts: 7121 Location: Warrington
Deano G wrote:To say that their new coach isn't a big name is ridiculous. The obvious analogy would be Villas-Boas (not quite the same because he hasn't been a figure known in English football, whereas Madge was assistant coach at a leading NRL side). Would you say that he wasn't a big name in English football the moment his appointment was announced? Bizarre.
Villas-Boas had achieved more than enough during his career to make himself known. He won the treble with Porto in his first full year of management, he'd worked with Jose Mourinho at both Inter and Chelsea, and he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young coach in the world. Thing is, he wasn't a 'big name' because he hadn't achieved anything in a big league. Just like Madge, he's achieved things with Wigan and he's managed to get a big job back home, but until he's winning trophies with Souths and establishing himself as one of the NRL's best coaches, how can he be deemed big news?
Fact is, he's got the job on the belief he'll be a top coach, but to say he's well-respected and a big name, when his only achievement in Aus has been as a what, number 3? It's a little farfetched.
Point is, and you'll see this across many sports; just because you've got the big job, doesn't make you a big name. And just because you achieved things as a number 2 or number 3, doesn't mean you're instantly a well-respected number 1, nor does it instantly make you a 'big name'.
Joined: May 08 2006 Posts: 5110 Location: Stockton-on-Tees
Deano G wrote:Because you're a RL fan?
Sadly many fans in this country are just fans of their own club rather than being RL fans who support a particular club.
Wigan fans have their faults - pessimism, arrogance and a hint of paranoia (though everybody does hate us ) but one thing most of us can't be accused of is not thinking about the wider game. (There are many other good things about Wigan fans but I won't upset you by listing them). The best example of this would be that when the SC was brought in most Wigan fans (myself included) at the time were supportive because we thought (wrongly) that it would really benefit the game as a whole, even though it was likely not to help Wigan in the short/medium term.
The other reason you should care is that if you are expressing a view on someone else's opinions it is best to have some knowledge of the subject.
Deano, you really don't have a clue, do you? When the SC was brought in Wigan fans were not at all happy about it, despite the fact that the club had almost made themselves bankrupt because of the salaries they were paying. Did you know that for the first few years of the SC Wigan were actually given a speial dispensation because of the excessive long term contracts they were tied in to? They later went on to break the cap on two occasions and I don't seem to remember too many Wigan fans saying that the RFL were right to punish them. I find that most Wigan fans are very knowledgable about RL and have had some good debate with them in the past. Unfortunately there are also a few. like yourself, who cannot see past a cherry and white flag and think that anyone who is associated with Wigan is instantly the best there is. You will not allow others to have an opinion, and will simply ridicule that opinion. You have also described Wire fans as a whole as 'the stupidest in RL.' I think that you have proved yourself wrong.
Until Russell Crowe came in the were very much living off the past, now with the likes of Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis coming in along with King they are looking like being in with a chance going back to the glory days.
Joined: Mar 07 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Warrington
I understand why Wigan fans hold Madge in high regard. He took pretty much the same team that Noble had an turned them into champions in his first season. In his second season he's won the Challenge cup and still has a good chance of retaining their Super League crown.
But at the end of the day he quit at the first job opportunity that came his way from Australia and got out of the final year of his contract. Come mid October he won't be giving a second thought to Wigan in any way.
Joined: Sep 19 2003 Posts: 3525 Location: Manchester
More comedy gold:
1. Wigan fans think anyone associated with the club is the best there is (step forward Dennis Moran, world class half-back....apparently )
2. Villas-Boas did not become a big name in British football the moment he signed as coach for Chelsea.
3. Souths are not "arguably the most famous and historic club in Australian RL".
4. In fact, Souths are like Swinton
I did not (I think) say that Warrington had the stupidest fans in RL. If I did, I apologise. I have no way of knowing whether they are. What I think I said was that Wire fans appear to be on a campaign to try to prove themselves the stupidest fans in RL. Sadly this thread is yet more evidence of that, though I'm coming to the conclusion that many of you don't actually believe most of the ridiculous things you post. (The Swinton/South comparison can't have been serious, surely? I don't recall 80,000 protesters marching on Salford Town Hall at any point...). But whether it's deliberate or not, its comedy gold, so thank you.
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) describes Souths as "one of the world's most famous rugby league clubs".
) but one thing most of us can't be accused of is not thinking about the wider game. (There are many other good things about Wigan fans but I won't upset you by listing them). The best example of this would be that when the SC was brought in most Wigan fans (myself included) at the time were supportive because we thought (wrongly) that it would really benefit the game as a whole, even though it was likely not to help Wigan in the short/medium term.
