Joined: Jul 03 2003 Posts: 11532 Location: The Cloth Capped North
I found myself agreeing with a lot of that, I have to say.
The one thing that got me about that Warwickshire side was that most of the time they played for the draw and a win was a bonus. That doesn't make for good cricket and that side were not good to watch when they were doing that. At least when you get teams winning a lot of games and losing a few you know they're going for a result. Durham at Hampshire this year being a prime example. Warwickshire in '04 would've gone for the draw in that game. The bonus points system has struck the right balance now, I think, although I'm still not keen on the system.
Which brings me round to the point you made about Lancs, Surrey and batting points. In 2008 Surrey finished bottom of the table with 45 batting points. Lancashire finished 5th with 24 batting points and a grand total of 170 points. If Lancashire had managed to gain the same batting points as Surrey that year we would've won the title with 191 points to Durham's 190! (5 wins, 9 draws, 2 defeats...) It does show that we're seriously behind other teams in the batting department, but then again it also shows up flaws in the bonus points system, albeit there's been changes made since then.
I have heard the suggestion that bonus points should only be awarded if a team wins, which would cut out people shutting up shop for the draw. Whether it's feasible in reality or not is another matter.
GT wrote: Which brings me round to the point you made about Lancs, Surrey and batting points. In 2008 Surrey finished bottom of the table with 45 batting points. Lancashire finished 5th with 24 batting points
Think Lancs are 2nd bottom of the batting bonus points total this year with a woeful 28 points.
It looks like our old friend, the weather, might have its say over the destination of the title....
This week's fixtures look seriously threatened by a rotten 5 day forecast.....Lancs' ability to play 2-3 day matches due to that bowler-friendly track at Aigburth, might yet come in handy if they can be on the right end of a low scoring game.
And so you aim towards the sky, And you'll rise high today, Fly away, Far away, Far from pain....
Joined: Jul 03 2003 Posts: 11532 Location: The Cloth Capped North
Looking at the forecast I reckon there's enough time to sneak a result at Aigburth. Problem being that it looks the same at Edgbaston... Wonder if Notts can do us another favour if needs be?!
Joined: Apr 23 2002 Posts: 3882 Location: In the midst of Manchester's Steak Diane belt
GT wrote:Looking at the forecast I reckon there's enough time to sneak a result at Aigburth. Problem being that it looks the same at Edgbaston... Wonder if Notts can do us another favour if needs be?!
What days are you going? I'm hoping you don't curse us as usual
Joined: Mar 03 2004 Posts: 5308 Location: On a hill above Mold, North Wales
GT wrote:I have heard the suggestion that bonus points should only be awarded if a team wins, which would cut out people shutting up shop for the draw. Whether it's feasible in reality or not is another matter.
Problem is, if a team has gone for the win and been thwarted by, say, the weather (this one remind you of anyone? ), is it fair to take away their bonus points?
It'd be utterly unfeasable, a point is awarded for getting to 200 runs, thats the rule so its earned, win or not...
What they done with the points for wins and draws was better IMO. Now its 16 for a win, its a big incentive to go for it.
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