I see, the silly old man.

Is everyone sure that Crusaders are even going to be around to play in the Co-Op Championship next year. The RFL wording of earlier seemed to suggest it wasnt exactly a given, and I'm sure that administration has been mentioned again.

Gutted for both fans & players as I would have been if Wakey had got the chop.

I know how I felt when Widnes were excluded last time, but I didn't blame another club, the decision was made by the jokers at the RFL.

There are a lot on here blaming the board both old & new which has most likely contributed to Cru's downfall but they are not soley to blame.

The RFL fast tracked them yes, to soon? Probably but the warning about their ground etc meant they had to move & lose the fan base they had.

We all know if you don't get them through the turnstiles you will never have the money needed to compete.

It's all ifs & buts but imo they may have been better staying in south Wales with the fanbase they had & building on that maybe moving to a football or rugby union ground down there.

If they hadn't made the grade for a sl licence then at least they would be able to field a team in the lower leagues, which at present looks uncertain to say the least.

I know this is all in hindsight & to be honest I don't know all the facts. But from what I think I know the RFL have to take the majority of the blame for this situation as they didn't stand up to Sky & tell them it was to soon for Cru to enter sl.

I wait to be corrected!

I wish Cru & its fans the best of luck & perhaps in 3 to 6 years you can reapply, not sure you will be playing in Wrexham though, word is the ground will be sold to the Uni.

first Wrecsam fc are in trouble now the crusaders. someone must be bad in managing a business
the rfl must take a long hard look at expansion into areas that the game is lacking

the crowds were poor but a good noisy crowd feel sorry for all crusader supporters

keep the faith for the future

what to Wrexham its only 30 miles from Widnes.

Yes, the board are solely to blame. Staying in the South was not an option, the club needs owners and the only buyers were in the North. Moss and Roberts saved the club, but then turned out to be just as bad as the previous owners.

Did you ever think that Moss and Roberts might have been sold a pup by the rfl? The three wise monkeys at the rfl seem to be good at painting the big picture, but very poor at the implementation or clear and effective direction. I'm sure they will delight in the blame being pointed at Moss and Roberts as it takes the focus off thier own shortcomings. From my reading of events I would say all Moss and Roberts are guilty of is niavity, which for businessmen is in itself very poor. I hope you keep the club going in some form, but from the outside I have to say it looks bleak.

The fact that Crusaders ended up being run by poor administrators isn't entirely unrelated to them being "fast tracked" into SL when they clearly weren't ready.

Playing in NL1 / CC for another three years may not have got the club up to SL standards but at least the club would probably be lining up for another season in 2012 at Bridgend (which they are unlikely to be doing in any form now). I know the argument that Samuels would have walked away but he did anyway and the main reason why a Bridgend based consortium couldn't rescue the club was the SL debts.

I feel sorry for the fans but to say that some of them were hopelessly naive is putting it mildly. The usual idiots made Cru's admission to SL into a "expansionists vs evil inbred flatcappers" and too many Cru fans bought into this stupidity.

How easy would it be to build a new club to a level where it met all criteria without the additional exposure that being in Super League vs being in the Championship brings?

Who knows but at least they would have had a Championship side.

Now there is nothing.

Scorpions might still be around but they've got to cope with the aftermath of the Crusaders and the negativity that they have generated.