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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:13 pm 
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nick hkr wrote:Just to touch on the topic of Andrew Webster, the players do respect him, they enjoy his sessions and I'm yet to hear a bad word spoken. What is a little worrying is that he was tasked with our defensive work and we're no further on with this so that may be where he falls down a little, but then his assistant could be someone with much better abilities in this area? I certainly won't be disapointed if Drew is given the role on a trial one year basis with the option for the club after that to give him a longer deal. It would also make derby day a bit more interesting especially if Agar is suceeded by James!!!!
I would be totally disgusted it Andrew Webster got the job.
Its looking more and more likely that the players are in the 'comfort zone' so to speak.
You wouldn't be disappointed replacing one coach with another that is part of the same setup?
A coach who has done nothing in the game apart from being given defensive duty's that are clearly above him?
Is that what you are really saying?






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:16 pm 
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Does anyone remember seeing Kear doing a bit of stewarding at Boundary Park?

The game where it snowed like mad and loads of people got stuck on Windy Hill trying to get back over t'Pennines.






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:22 pm 
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pmh wrote:Does anyone remember seeing Kear doing a bit of stewarding at Boundary Park?

The game where it snowed like mad and loads of people got stuck on Windy Hill trying to get back over t'Pennines.
Yeah it was a freaky day.
The snow/hail came from nowhere.
TSB put on the free buses, Oldham must have thought their birthdays had all come at once when they saw how many of us turned up.






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:31 pm 
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Roverswall wrote:Yeah it was a freaky day.
The snow/hail came from nowhere.
TSB put on the free buses, Oldham must have thought their birthdays had all come at once when they saw how many of us turned up.


Aye, forgot that about the buses. We managed to sneak back over the hill before people started getting stuck.

I can just remember James Webster with a "why did I think this would be a good idea?" look on his face.

2005 iirc.






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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Roverswall wrote:I would be totally disgusted it Andrew Webster got the job.
Its looking more and more likely that the players are in the 'comfort zone' so to speak.
You wouldn't be disappointed replacing one coach with another that is part of the same setup?
A coach who has done nothing in the game apart from being given defensive duty's that are clearly above him?
Is that what you are really saying?


The players comfort zone is Morgans responsibility not Drews.

His reccomendations from the players he coaches are very good.

Those players have been coached by some of the greatest coaches in the game.

Although a coach that is a part of the same set-up may bare some responsibility to the performances he like the players is under orders and shouldn'd deviate from the instructions given from above. Would he do things differently? I should asume he would but this can only be proven by a trial or short term contract basis.

I would also challenge that the defensive duties are above him, while yes our defence is poor it heralds from poor reads more than poor structures.

Craig Hall on here was being raved about after a couple of good performances yet he was dropped when injuries returned to action and people asked why? He then ripped it up in the U20's competition and rightly gained another shot when Webster became sidelined. In this spell his reads and frailties are much clearer for the fans to see and that is a personal issue that other coaches have too struggled to rectify.

A massive problem that would effect any top rate defensive coach is the fact so many of our players are poor defenders or readers of play. Welham, Hall, Lovegrove, Galea, Murrell...etc all miss far too many tackles, someone pointed out that Welham is the only centre to make the top 10 missed tacklers since 2003 and he has been in that top ten for 3 years!

I do not see how Drew could be expected to change all of these players by trainining methods, in fact I don't think black magic would have helped!

Shaune Wane was a part of the set-up that took Wigan close to relegation, he is now being talked about as the next Wigan coach and comes with great reviews from the players he coaches. This guy has brought through some of the best youngsters to play the game, producing some of the internationals such as Briscoe, Brown, Robinson, Ashton, to name just a few. Drew similarly has been a major player in the youth development at Rovers and we are starting to see some good signs and over the coming 5-10 years I think we'll see some fruit on those branches.

And this comfort zone you speak of comes predominantly from our senior players, those that Morgan respects so highly he is willing to trust them even though it is not putting the club first. Why Webster deserves to be tarred with the same brush is beyond me.






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 Post subject: Re: John Kear
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:39 pm 
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the top sides tend to change coach every 3 or 4 years, maybe thats just to keep it fresh, players have to prove themselves over again etc, soon as it goes stale ish new ideas and a fresh outlook. i don't think its a coincidence about coaches moving on for fresh challenges just a cycle that keeps it fresh at the clus

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phleastyler wrote:the top sides tend to change coach every 3 or 4 years, maybe thats just to keep it fresh, players have to prove themselves over again etc, soon as it goes stale ish new ideas and a fresh outlook. i don't think its a coincidence about coaches moving on for fresh challenges just a cycle that keeps it fresh at the clus


Wayne Bennett spent 20 years at Brisbane as a coach with a 64% win rate. What he hasn't done down under probably isn't worth doing but if one man can keep things as successful and fresh at one club for two decades you have to ask why any other coach cannot do similar for at least 6yrs?






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