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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:01 pm 
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barton baird wrote:I think "are they" should be put there.




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 Post subject: Re: The way forward is backward
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:13 am 
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Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!

I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:46 am 
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nick hkr wrote:Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!



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nick hkr wrote:I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.



Is this the same Ian Kirke that Leeds fans constantly deride and pretty all to a fan have absolutely no idea how he gets in the team or what the point of him is? That Ian Kirke?

nick hkr wrote:Kudos to me I think!


In that you've found a player as ineffectual as Netherton? Well done.






If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

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Was asked to find a player at a top club that gets in the team every week and is like Netherton! Also Kirke has had at least 3 coaches who have all constantly picked him, there is a reason the Leeds fans are stood on the terraces and work for an average of about 20k a year compared to those three coaches that were or are earning at least five times that much!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: The way forward is backward
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:07 pm 
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Very true. I'd be an awful coach, I'd be wanting to score eighty metre tries off every play.






If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Roverswall wrote:With the greatest of respect to Wakey, Crusaders and FC I did say top teams (Something we aim to be apparently).
Before anyone says it no this isn't a thinly veiled attack on Hull FC.

:READING: You said top 'club' which Hull are. Team, no, but club, yes.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:43 pm 
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nick hkr wrote:Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!

I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.

Kudos to me I think!
Similar?
This season Kirke has made an average of 21 meters more per game, He has made an average of 1.6 more carries a game which means Ian Kirke makes an average of 1.29 meters more from all those extra carries.
He has also made more average offloads 0.25 compared to Jason Nethertons average of 0.22.
Still at least Jason Netherton has made more tackles (The benchmark of a SL forward apparently).
So not as similar as you think then.
But hey if you want to continue to think the like of Jason Netherton will take us onto the next level because he can tackle go for it.
I would like our forwards to do a little bit more.






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 Post subject: Re: The way forward is backward
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You're a very cross man.

Poor Jason Netherton.






If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

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pmh wrote:You're a very cross man.

Poor Jason Netherton.
It gets better.
On average since 2007 (The first year HKR/JN played together in SL).
Ian Kirke has made an average of 49.6 meters per game Jason Netherton has made an average of 46.7 so that is + 2.9 meters per game to Ian Kirke so yes so far there isn's much in it so far.
Average carries per game is 7.4 to IK, 7.6 to JN so again similar.
JN wins on the tackle per game stats (This isn't in arguement although surely that stops them being similar?)
IK makes an average of 6.6 meters per carry, JN makes an average of 6.1 an extra half a meter PER carry will make a diffrence.
IK has made 44 (Average of 0.6 offloads per game), JN 11(Yes 11 in over 4 years)(Average of 0.13 per game) so we safely say Ian Kirke wipes the floor with Jason Netherton here.
My last stat is for tackle busts IK has made 48 since 2007 (0.6 per game), JN has made 46 (0.5).
So in conclusion Ian Kirke makes 2.9 meters more per game, He makes half a meter more per carry, He has made 33 (yes 33) more offloads (0.43 more per game), plus 0.1 per game more tackle busts.
Jason Netherton makes more tackles (I always said he was in the side to do this) and he makes an average of 0.2 more carries per game.
So like I said in my previous post not as similar as you would think.



Is this the part where you have to return that Kudos?






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The stats don't give the full picture IMO .

Your comparing a player from a GF winning side to one performing in a lower ranked side.

Leeds by virtue of being a top side they would have been on the front foot more - thus less tackling and more offensive plays.

In our first SL two seasons in particular we were certainly up against it , and often only long periods in defence brought us results.






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