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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:30 am 
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Mild Rover wrote:We needed and got a special dispensation for Dobson. Whether one would be needed for Mason if he got his passport I don't know - he wouldn't then be an overseas player... but the rules weren't designed to cope with this.


As stated here

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.html

another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.
Mild Rover wrote:We needed and got a special dispensation for Dobson. Whether one would be needed for Mason if he got his passport I don't know - he wouldn't then be an overseas player... but the rules weren't designed to cope with this.


As stated here

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.html

another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.






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Staffs FC wrote:As stated here

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.html

another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.


I know that is the case for overseas players, to avoid a carousel situation, but I haven't seen anything similar for non-quota players - which is what Mason would then be. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - its absence could be exploited for cap dodging, I suppose. I don't think the HDM knows much more than the rest of us, tbh. The 'huffy' wording was the same as used when Dobson was de-registered, iirc.

I'm just putting an alternative POV out there.
Staffs FC wrote:As stated here

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.html

another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.


I know that is the case for overseas players, to avoid a carousel situation, but I haven't seen anything similar for non-quota players - which is what Mason would then be. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - its absence could be exploited for cap dodging, I suppose. I don't think the HDM knows much more than the rest of us, tbh. The 'huffy' wording was the same as used when Dobson was de-registered, iirc.

I'm just putting an alternative POV out there.






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 Post subject: Re: Bradford want Mason
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Mild Rover wrote:I know that is the case for overseas players, to avoid a carousel situation, but I haven't seen anything similar for non-quota players - which is what Mason would then be. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - its absence could be exploited for cap dodging, I suppose. I don't think the HDM knows much more than the rest of us, tbh. The 'huffy' wording was the same as used when Dobson was de-registered, iirc.

I'm just putting an alternative POV out there.


That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.






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Staffs FC wrote:That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.




Who knows what's going to happen if he has to sit out then he has to cudnt we employ him to do sumet else this season.

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gingerspice wrote:Who knows what's going to happen if he has to sit out then he has to cudnt we employ him to do sumet else this season.


I was quite impressed by the girls selling sweets off a tray like usherettes at the cinema when we were at the KC, maybe he could do that.






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pmh wrote:I was quite impressed by the girls selling sweets off a tray like usherettes at the cinema when we were at the KC, maybe he could do that.




Yeah what in the east stand good idea, was thinking more in training tho, of he could become a new robinette :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bradford want Mason
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Staffs FC wrote:That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.
I have just had a look and I cannot see any reason in the rules that will stop mason being re-registered as he will no longer fall under the 'quota' rule.
The closest I can find for a none quota player is.

The RFL wrote:OFFER OF RE-ENGAGEMENT – DEADLINE & MEANS OF DELIVERY
C1:3:3 If the Club elects to offer the Player terms of re-engagement the Club must make such offer
in writing on or before the Friday following the final round of regular matches in Super
League or Championship as appropriate. In order to comply with this rule the Club must
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(a) have posted the offer to the Player’s last known address by first class special delivery
post or an alternative service which provides for delivery on the next working day and
requires a signature on receipt in any case the offer must have been posted at least
the day before the deadline for receipt; or
(b) have handed the offer to the Player in person on or before the deadline for receipt in
which case the Player must sign a receipt.

In either case the Club shall retain the special delivery slip or the receipt.
Where a Club’s divisional status for the forthcoming season will not have been decided by
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So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.

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gingerspice wrote:So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.
TBH it depends how the RFL look at it.
There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules for this situation.
Mason stopped being a Rovers player whilst he was 'quota' he will then (Hopefully) return no longer being in that catagory.
So the RFL could view it that as he went off our register under one catagory he has to come on under the same catagory.
Or they could say he has changed catagory after de-registering and therefore no longer counts on that catagory.
I would assume the second situation simply because he will then have a passport which mean's legally the RFL can no longer count him as 'quota'.
Im essence its is a hell of a mess rulewise.






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gingerspice wrote:So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.



Tbf, it's a lot of speculation based on limited information. My criticism of the HDM is that they seem to be focussing solely on the most negative possible outcomes. Now, they may be party to info that I'm not but if they are, they aren't saying what. Also they have already changed their tune once.

Until the passport arrives there isn't anything that can be done. If and when it does the RFL might refuse to re-register Mason. However, the assumption that they definately won't is based on some questionable assumptions, IMO.

1. It is Rovers fault that Mason requires a Tongan passport. It is not the club's or player's fault it has not been issued - the circumstances are exceptional. The club messed up - but not as badly as has been portrayed by some.

2. That refusing to register Mason would not be potentially problematic for the RFL. I think it might. None of this is his fault.






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