Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:28 am
Gavin Miller - Legend
Club Coach
Joined: Jul 24 2005 Posts: 8599
barton baird wrote:As I put on another thread,Morgan sounded dispirited on Humberside tonight,its not what he is usualy like when being interviewed.Not trying to wind you up,just giving my thoughts.
I also interviewed JM and he seemed fine. Wasnt downbeat in the slightest, just quite matter of fact really. I disagree with the Cooke was signed as a trophy signing theory. We were facing relegation in 2007 and a top quality proven SL player was available to sign. Hardly going to refuse to sign Cooke was he.
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:56 am
Red Adair
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 03 2006 Posts: 786
Sheldon wrote:Your older players are getting more injuries and you haven't got the junior system in place to replace them.
When Vella, Fisher and Galea retire you wont get any more room on the quota and as we've found it's hard to persude top uk players to come to Hull.
With the exchange rate and the higher wages in the NRL couple with tighter resrictions on young overseas players SL clubs will find it impossible to bring "stars" over, hopefully the youngsters will get a chance.
The youngsters are not ready for Super League ? Frankie Mariano playing out of his skin for Wakey not rated by Morgan a prime example .
the real viking warrior wrote ,
'Well theres a first for everything,like the dobbins first and last season in super league' .
Hull FC you were once a feeder club for the mighty HKR and now your living in its shadow ! THE KC CURSE HAS RETURNED ,THEY ARE ALL WANTING TO GO HOME OR INJURED ! FACT . Doing a lap of honour for getting 2 points PRICELESS season 2011 ! Top 4 team 2012 your having a laugh !
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:10 am
willowred
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 21 2007 Posts: 1565 Location: East hull
Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:I also interviewed JM and he seemed fine. Wasnt downbeat in the slightest, just quite matter of fact really. I disagree with the Cooke was signed as a trophy signing theory. We were facing relegation in 2007 and a top quality proven SL player was available to sign. Hardly going to refuse to sign Cooke was he.
Thats the problem i have Rob he should be downbeat, he should be gutted that we have just rolled over again with very little attacking flair and a mickey poor defence, he should be downbeat that the fans have payed good money and had to watch that load of drivel again. He is the man who can change the team around but he's not hes persisting with his garbage gameplans and playing players out of position. If he was to hear alot of fans views about him last night im sure he would be downbeat
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:25 am
Anakin Skywalker
Club Coach
Joined: Aug 14 2005 Posts: 14302 Location: On the Death Star Awaiting Luke.
Mrs Barista wrote:Apologies if I'm a bit spiky tonight, but really, what are you on about?
I cannot see Hudge saying to Morgan 'We are getting rumours that Mason may be looking at coming to SL are you interested Justin?' and Morgan saying 'Nah' which is pretty much what you are hinting at. Just as I can't see any SL coach saying 'Nah'. I can see JM saying to Hudge 'Bloody too right i'm interested if you can get him, get him'.
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:32 am
fcimp
Club Coach
Joined: Apr 17 2005 Posts: 3469 Location: With Hull's only grade "A" SL club.
Roverswall wrote:I cannot see Hudge saying to Morgan 'We are getting rumours that Mason may be looking at coming to SL are you interested Justin?' and Morgan saying 'Nah' which is pretty much what you are hinting at. Just as I can't see any SL coach saying 'Nah'. I can see JM saying to Hudge 'Bloody too right i'm interested if you can get him, get him'.
Think that's probably how it works at most clubs, had the same argument on our board.
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:54 am
Mrs Barista
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Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
Roverswall wrote:I cannot see Hudge saying to Morgan 'We are getting rumours that Mason may be looking at coming to SL are you interested Justin?' and Morgan saying 'Nah' which is pretty much what you are hinting at. Just as I can't see any SL coach saying 'Nah'. I can see JM saying to Hudge 'Bloody too right i'm interested if you can get him, get him'.
That's not what I'm saying.
Morgan has spent 5 years building a well-drilled side of non-marquee players and a great reputation off the back of it. Mason is a marquee signing. In my opinion, which I am entitled to, Mason and the cash he requires, would not have been a recruitment priority of Morgan when you already have Newton, Galea, Murrell, Cook, Watts and Taylor to play in the back 3 but, for example, your hooking options are Fisher and Hodgson. Club representatives have spoken a lot about Mason in the context of box office and merchandise. It's not an outrageous suggestion that, given the squad composition before Mason signed, Mason would not have been Morgan's dream signing.
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:12 am
barton baird
Player Coach
Joined: Jun 11 2007 Posts: 12260 Location: south of Hull.
His Bobness wrote:You seem to speak a lot more sense since your ban, were you on a rehabilitation programme?
Mason IMO was meant to be the icing on the cake. The extra bit that turns something substantial into something really tasty.
It didn't happen, the icing arrived and the cake had disappeared.
Of course he was also meant to put bums on seats and if we'd been tearing up Super League he might have done.
We're bottom of the league right now apart from the teams with points deducted. I don't think that was part of the plan. We have to be honest we are a third of the way into the season and we must accept what the league table is telling us. Even the ghost of Dally Messenger would struggle to put bums on seats right now.
Perhaps Mason will hit his straps in the derby game. He still has fantastic ability but he complements what is around him not the other way round.
Right now Hull are favourites for the derby game, they are giving better performances, albeit not results, than Rovers. But 3 weeks is a long time in Rugby League so who knows.
Think most fans if they are honest wouldn`t mind Mason playing for their club. Not saying it is going to happen,but even the biggest names don`t always gel at a certain club. Different game I know,but I remember Garry Birtles scoring for fun at Forest,went to Man U and couldn`t score in a brothel. Mason is a talking point with fans,which can only be a plus for Rovers. As for the derby,"The answer my friend,is blowing in the wind."
BLACK AND WHITES
East is East,West is West, and never the twain shall meet.
-------------------------------- "I" said the sparrow "With my bow and arrow."
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:14 am
Ron Weasley
Player Coach
Joined: Apr 04 2007 Posts: 2382
Hopefully Mason will come good, but whilst we perform like this, the question of whether he was signed at the expense of 2, maybe 3 less 'glamorous' players that might have provided some valuable squad depth, will always crop up.
Have to admit it seems strange we pay the likes of Mason and Clinton so much, yet we haven't got a single player who can even 'do a job' if our number 7 gets injured.
Post subject: Re: just a thought about the 'decline' at the minute
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:23 am
Mild Rover
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12671 Location: Leicestershire.
Mrs Barista wrote:That's not what I'm saying.
Morgan has spent 5 years building a well-drilled side of non-marquee players and a great reputation off the back of it. Mason is a marquee signing. In my opinion, which I am entitled to, Mason and the cash he requires, would not have been a recruitment priority of Morgan when you already have Newton, Galea, Murrell, Cook, Watts and Taylor to play in the back 3 but, for example, your hooking options are Fisher and Hodgson. Club representatives have spoken a lot about Mason in the context of box office and merchandise. It's not an outrageous suggestion that, given the squad composition before Mason signed, Mason would not have been Morgan's dream signing.
That's fair enough, but I think the signings we made were logical from a purely rugby perspective. We were well drilled, but also predictable and a bit one-paced. Green's arrival would give us new options alongside Dobson, while Mason would add size, energy and aggression to the (sometimes lightweight) efficiency of our existing pack. Hall would create more options in the back 5.
Unfortunately Green only played twice alongside Dobson - when things looked okay-ish. Turns out that we can't cope very well without arguably our best and certainly most pivotal player. That reliance on one player is a weakness and one Rovers are clearly suffering from now. I'm not quite sure why the pack no longer looks well drilled. But you need to be doing the basics right before you can add the spectacular, so I don't think Mason's muted performances are a major concern in isolation. The slow/stationary defensive line and lack of basic go-forward could/will be a major problem even when Dobson returns.
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