He was more than that, he was a Karate Instructor 3rd Dan Blackbelt.

Could have got into a bit of trouble at the CC Final (Wire v Wigan), Iro scored and threw the ball at Drummonds face due to a dirty tackle. Drummond took offence and threw probably one of the hardest punches ever seen, karate punch to the chin.

To be fair to Iro, he handled it very well (his neck went back and then he laid into Iro, mass brawl ensued).

Give over..hes a tough lad but you went one step to far for that. he does brazilian jui jitsu at bolton now

I did think he had a few Dan's to be honest, didn't know he was an instructor though, he is a true hard man though no doubt about that, and a nice fella as well, spoke to him watching Leigh East last season, and he still looks fit as a fiddle.

Please don'tthink me biased but Drummond was/is probably the hardest player ever

Sonny Bill/ Mason can handle themselves due to boxing training but i'd put money on a martial arts expert over a boxer any day.

Rugby players are built to take more punishment than your normal person but that just means they'd last longer toe to toe rather than just going down straight away.

He also ran a pub in moss side i think, now that takes balls too

REALLY.... I seen him hide behind a load of Leeds players when Lee Radford went looking for him last season..

As a Barrow fan I'd just like to throw my hat into the ring with 2 of my teams legends from the past and 2 from the present.

The Past
Frank Foster - Tough isn't a strong enough word. Alex Murphy would spend most of the match hiding from big Frank. Very classy player in his day as well.
Eddie Szymala - Mad as a hatter but a real hard man and great character who can still be seen on the terraces at Craven Park. Sent off 13 times in his career and famous for a brawl with Kevin Tamati in the tunnel during the 1983 Lancashire Cup Final after both had been sin-binned. Barrow (then a Division 2 team) went on to beat Cup Kings Widnes that day. Widnes had the likes of Gregory and Lydon in their ranks. Eddie also played for England and GB.

The Present
Gary Broadbent - In 2010 he missed his first matches in Pro RL for 6 years. Ever present and freakishly tough for his size.
Brett McDermott - Coalman by day, RL Warrior at the weekends. If ever you meet Barrie McDermott, ask him about his namesake Brett when Widnes played Barrow at Craven Park.

Boxing is a martial art...

ok then, but take just a boxing background in to something like UFC and see how long you last.

I know there is a lot of mixed martial arts in that but there are a few who have a stand alone technique, boxing is too restrictive. dodge weave punch

Mick Cassidy

He wore a skull cap, big jesse