Joined: Jun 17 2009 Posts: 1839 Location: West Hull, (enemy territory)
Mrs Barista wrote:Not really - only if statements 1 and 3 are correct and 2 was false. Naughty.
If we continue point 2 a little further to involve the actual figures quoted, and not conveniently miss them out, then all 3 statments are correct, the only sticking point being your interpretation of the word comparable, although the statement is backed up with figures.
1) In November 2008 sales were over 6000. 2)In November 2009 the direct quote from Hudgell was "Figures for season pass sales are comparable with last year at this stage give or take a few...... "the bit you conveniently missed out"->..it’s encouraging that we’ve already sold more than 700 passes to people who’ve not bought one before. The Rovers membership is above 5000, although has reached a plateau slightly the last few weeks." <- 3)In December 2010, with a couple of extra weeks of sales under their belt, we're now told that sales are 5500 and that is up on the same time last year.
Are you disputing the 5000 figure, even though you did a link to Hudgell saying this?
GraftonRed wrote:If we continue point 2 a little further to involve the actual figures quoted, and not conveniently miss them out, then all 3 statments are correct, the only sticking point being your interpretation of the word comparable, although the statement is backed up with figures.
1) In November 2008 sales were over 6000. 2)In November 2009 the direct quote from Hudgell was "Figures for season pass sales are comparable with last year at this stage give or take a few...... "the bit you conveniently missed out"->..it’s encouraging that we’ve already sold more than 700 passes to people who’ve not bought one before. The Rovers membership is above 5000, although has reached a plateau slightly the last few weeks." <- 3)In December 2010, with a couple of extra weeks of sales under their belt, we're now told that sales are 5500 and that is up on the same time last year.
Are you disputing the 5000 figure, even though you did a link to Hudgell saying this?
Don't confuse the old dear. With season passes being up on the comparitive period last season, the East stand extension and the North stand funding and the Willie Mason signing it's not been a very good off season for Mrs B
Standing up to the forum bully.
It must be working, he doesn't like me...i'm devastated
Joined: Jun 17 2009 Posts: 1839 Location: West Hull, (enemy territory)
Bertie wrote:Don't confuse the old dear. With season passes being up on the comparitive period last season, the East stand extension and the North stand funding and the Willie Mason signing it's not been a very good off season for Mrs B
Roofs wrote:Hey so what's the story with the Elf avatar?
Mrs Barista wrote:One of my favourite films. Have you seen it? I do like Elves
Perhaps we may get a rest from 5.40 until 7.30 this Sunday then.
Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
GraftonRed wrote:If we continue point 2 a little further to involve the actual figures quoted, and not conveniently miss them out, then all 3 statments are correct, the only sticking point being your interpretation of the word comparable, although the statement is backed up with figures.
1) In November 2008 sales were over 6000. 2)In November 2009 the direct quote from Hudgell was "Figures for season pass sales are comparable with last year at this stage give or take a few...... "the bit you conveniently missed out"->..it’s encouraging that we’ve already sold more than 700 passes to people who’ve not bought one before. The Rovers membership is above 5000, although has reached a plateau slightly the last few weeks." <- 3)In December 2010, with a couple of extra weeks of sales under their belt, we're now told that sales are 5500 and that is up on the same time last year.
Are you disputing the 5000 figure, even though you did a link to Hudgell saying this?
The 5000 number references Club Rovers membership, not pass sales. Plenty of people bought a pass without Club Rovers membership, others became members without a pass. They are 2 separate things. Hudgell is quite clear that season pass sales in November 2009 were were in line with November 2008. The giveaway here is his use of the phrase "Season pass sales are in line with this time last year give or take a few. The 5000 refers to Club Rovers membership. The giveaway phrase here is "Rovers membership". He then qualifies this by saying people don't fully understand Club Rovers. A reasonable effort on your part, but sadly unsuccessful.
Even if you were right (which you're not) and the 5000 referred to season passholders in November 2009, that would still make either the declared 6000 in 2008 incorrect, because Hudgell is saying at 5000, November 2009 sales were in line with November 2008, or the statement that November 2009 sales at 5000 were in line with November 2008 was incorrect. Either way, these three statements are not fully compatible, as well you know.
Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
Feck me, I'm considering buying five thousand season tickets myself just to put an end to this whirlpool of an argument.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12664 Location: Leicestershire.
The word meaning of the word 'comparable' is open to interpretation. Mrs B's is legitimate, but not definitive. Based on the assumptions she has adopted, her logic is sound. The basis of her interpretation may reflect a natural unbiased response to 'comparable', a healthy scepticism or a desperate reflexive need to score a point, no matter how narrow or contrived. By interpreting 'comparable' in a different way we can have an argument to keep us warm / bore us rigid through the long, cold off-season.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
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