Does anyone else think Ramos and Alonso should be banned for longer for bringing the game into disrepute?

Thought AC Milan were quality tonight. Ambrosini is just quality.

I think the suspension rules are a nonsense anyway. Bookings are given for almost nothing in some games, and in others refs bend over backwards so players aren't booked. Every time a player picks up a booking they are in danger for the rest of the game and have to play with caution. That's enough punishment. So if clubs decide to play to the system and gets bans used up before important games, they should do so.

Not at all, I'm sure it's nothing to do with violence. That's one of the reasons why the idea of a Wigan RL (or, to be fair, and RL team) 'Ultra' is so comical. I appreciate the sentiments behind it though.

Taken from some kopite site

There is a wave that has been hitting British Football Grounds in the past couple of years. Ultras. Now, don't see the word and be terrified of Italian skinhead knife wielding football hooligans, that's not what being an Ultra is all about. British Ultras are all non-violent groups, focussed with the sole purpose of getting behind their team, through traditional flag displays, chanting, and similar. Ultras (Latin word deriving from ultrā, meaning beyond in English, with the implication that their enthusiasm is 'beyond' the normal.

It's quite funny really. Reminds me of a story I heard about Richard Gough. Before matches just before the christmas schedule, he'd let referees know that he was a booking or two away from a ban. He'd get the necerssary bookings then spend Christmas in South Africa!

That's all very well and good but again, that is precisely my point. Being in the presence of these people is exciting and unpleasant. The violence, or at least the threat of it, is inextricably linked to that. I'm not suggesting it's a pre-requisite for a great atmosphere but buying a few flags and calling yourself Ultras is likely to be met with some derison.

However, I repeat, I do see what is trying to be achieved and that at least is commendable. I do also reserve the right to take the mickey in the right circumstances.

I bow to your superior knowledge on the player, fella. I have barely watched him this season. However, I believe my point stands as Moyes had Saha while in form but hasn’t won the league.

My post wasn’t a dig at Moyes as I believe he is a good manager.

It’s easy to say that if a manager changes club he would be a success. That’s not always reality. I am sure a significant of Liverpool fans would argue that Roy Hodgson is a terrible manager, yet Fulham fans would take him back in a flash.

No need for the sarcasim, ask any Evertonian who watches the game and they'll tell you the same thing he's lazy, uninterested and is a shadow of his former self. Maybe it's Moyes constant stance of one man upfront but there's a reason he hasn't scored a goal this season. I wasn't debating the winning the league thing mate (it wasn't me making that point!), we have any striker in the world upfront and we'd never be winning the league, so your point does stand and I agree.



I didn't take it as a dig to Moyes, I was just trying to make the point I don't think Saddened was comparing the careers of Moyes and Mancini as it seems to have been taken. He is a good manager but far too rigid and negative unfortunately.



Again, I agree.

Rumours about that our favourite Spanish waiter will be sacked by Inter next week.

I wonder how the sympathisers about the mess he left Liverpool in will feel now?

Inter were in a terrible way when Benitez took over.