He played in the centres for 2 games last season IIRC, so that's 3 times in all his Hull career. Hardly basis for an informed opinion. Houghton was very average last season until Berrigan got injured at Leeds (something a lot forget), when Berrigan came back he had to play in the backs due to Whiting's injury. Berrigan suffers from one problem it seems, he's not Richard Swain.
Name at least 3 games where Berrigan has not being average at Hooker...imo he has not looked like a first class player in any position since playing for Hull FC.
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east hull FC fan wrote:He won it at Hooker.
He played in the centres for 2 games last season IIRC, so that's 3 times in all his Hull career. Hardly basis for an informed opinion. Houghton was very average last season until Berrigan got injured at Leeds (something a lot forget), when Berrigan came back he had to play in the backs due to Whiting's injury. Berrigan suffers from one problem it seems, he's not Richard Swain.
His form apart from the first season has nothing but average, no where near good enough for a player with his experience and wage, if he plays there next season he really needs to step up.
Houghton form improved when he got more minutes and teh starting hooking position, to me it looks like Berrigan was holding him back.
On paper Berrigan maybe a better hooker but he hasn't shown in the last 2 years.
Berrigan also didn't get moved to centre to cover whiting, Whiitng got injured before we started to play Berrigan at centre, he was moved there to replace Turner.
Dave K. wrote:His form apart from the first season has nothing but average, no where near good enough for a player with his experience and wage, if he plays there next season he really needs to step up.
Houghton form improved when he got more minutes and teh starting hooking position, to me it looks like Berrigan was holding him back.
On paper Berrigan maybe a better hooker but he hasn't shown in the last 2 years.
Berrigan also didn't get moved to centre to cover whiting, Whiitng got injured before we started to play Berrigan at centre, he was moved there to replace Turner.
Spot on Dave.
For me it's simply: In Oz Berro was a world class 9. In Oz Berro was a world class centre At Hull Berro has been mostly average at 9. At Hull Berro has had limited chance to show what he can do at centre but has looked world class in patches there.
Simple outcome for me based on the observations above.
Berro may have won a Clive Churchill medal at 9, but he also played the bulk of his rugby at Brisbane in the centres and won various awards there too. The most impressive thing was his try scoring record and his assists as a centre.
berrigans bitch wrote:Name at least 3 games where Berrigan has not being average at Hooker...imo he has not looked like a first class player in any position since playing for Hull FC.
For me it's simply: In Oz Berro was a world class 9. In Oz Berro was a world class centre At Hull Berro has been mostly average at 9. At Hull Berro has had limited chance to show what he can do at centre but has looked world class in patches there. Simple outcome for me based on the observations above.
Berro may have won a Clive Churchill medal at 9, but he also played the bulk of his rugby at Brisbane in the centres and won various awards there too. The most impressive thing was his try scoring record and his assists as a centre.
Which games were these then? Because you must of been watching a different team to me.
Just for the record, how have we done with Berrigan at Centre? Have we won a game? No. Has he scored? No. Did he have an assist in a try? No. So it's hardly a simple outcome. Could any of Berrigans poor performances be down to the fact he was playing in a Shiite team for 2 years? Or did we want him to single handidly drag us up the table? The argument about his wage etc. etc. is a non-starter.
Dave K. wrote:His form apart from the first season has nothing but average, no where near good enough for a player with his experience and wage, if he plays there next season he really needs to step up.
I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo.
Dave K. wrote:Houghton form improved when he got more minutes and teh starting hooking position, to me it looks like Berrigan was holding him back.
How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done.
Dave K. wrote:On paper Berrigan maybe a better hooker but he hasn't shown in the last 2 years.
Berrigan also didn't get moved to centre to cover whiting, Whiitng got injured before we started to play Berrigan at centre, he was moved there to replace Turner.
So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.
east hull FC fan wrote:Quite frankly, that's a stupid comment.
In your opinion...imo Berro is average, not one match can I recall him looking world class, though no doubt he takes a world class wage packet every week!
I agree Houghton was average though he came into his own middle to back end of the season,my point is I have not seen that kind of display from Berro at hooker.
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east hull FC fan wrote:I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo.
How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done.
So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.
No, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet?
Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull.
Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me.
east hull FC fan wrote:I agree he can do a lot more, but the first point is rubbish imo.
How many "first class" performances did Houghton produce? Saints at home, and i can't think of any others that he's done more than Berrigan would of done.
So he moved there due to injury? Don't see what your point is.
No, Turner wasn't injured just not good enough, thats why Berrigan was moved there, do you see the point yet?
Is you are happy with Berrigan's form then great, but expect a season like last few where we achieve little if that your expectations. I expect more from the players that play for Hull.
Houghton produced many good performances at hooker with some very good ones, hopefully Berrigan will do next year, that would do me.
To say Houghton has had an average season is a truly mind-boggling comment to make IMO.
He's 22, on the fringes of international representation, already pushing 100 first grade SL appearances and is really showing himself to be an established and exciting hooker.
If he doesn't get the 9 shirt this season I will be gutted for him.
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