Its called progression, win a play off was the target. We need a stronger squad and the plans are in place. Wigan are a better side than any other in SL so we are rightly underdogs and it would be an upset to beat them. Still not saying we wont but an element of realism is required.

It wont be as bad as you felt last Sunday Morning, mind i wont feel as bad as last Sunday myself, some serious celebrating done last Sat!

This is my point!!
Last year we were told (the Fans) that we actually finished 8th but now to suit this years FC arguement we actually finished 4th last year and 7th this year which is seen as a decline.
The truth is argueing for arguements sake we have finished 1 place higher than last year kept every member of the team we wanted to keep and added 1 x Super Star and 2 x Super Larkers in Mason and Green which would tend to say we should further improve next year.
So yeah i will be chuffed!!!
Oh and we still have a chance of a GF appearance

Not this years from me mate.I have always said the points in the league should count,not where you finish in a playoff.

And i grant YOU that but you must agree that your bretherin were extremely quick to tell us we finished 8th last season, i do not need to be converted and am truly on your band wagon as although i love the idea of the Playoffs no one will ever tell me that Wigan were not the best team this year no matter what happens in the GF nor that KR were not the 4th best last year.
I just feel that some of your fans cant have it both ways when it suits them!!

Thats what I said elsewhere mate.
I have nothing against the playoffs,but it should be an entirely different entity to the league.As you pointed out,Wigan are champions through winning the most points,so if they lost in the playoffs it doesn`t alter that fact.

im still hungover

Me too,its good how Jack Daniels can dull the pain.

Heres the one im trying to get my head around (daydreaming to be honest) if you had won your GF would you have submitted the Saints were actually still the champs or that you were?
Thinking with my heart we wont win the GF so wont matter to us but if we were to i dont know if i could state Wigan as the best just because i would have to wear my Rover tinted Specs

I would acknowledge Saints were the champs,simply based on my previous statememt.
Say for example the team that finished 8th beat the team that finished first.How can they be deemed champions on one game?
The fact is that the G.F. should be seperate,although it is still a major achievment,and shouldn`t be devalued.