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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:42 am 
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Barnacle Bill wrote:But those players will sign up knowing that there are limitations on how far they can go at that club, if that suits those players, then what is the problem? If Leigh don't offer a scholarship it is by no means certain that all the players who would have signed up will go to other clubs, this is unnecessarily risking losing players to the game.


None of this prevents Leigh coaching junior players. The rules just say they can't call their scheme an RFL accredited scholarship because they don't meet the criteria for accreditation.

Surely you agree there should be criteria? And that if our junior structure is to be a "performance pathway" that the pathway doesn't have unnecessary dead-ends.






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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:50 am 
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tb wrote:I think it takes a particularly twisted view of reality to regard a requirement that scholarship players have somewhere to continue their development when they hit 16 as 'stupid unnecessary rules'.

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tb wrote:If you're going to run junior development, it's the right and duty of the sport's governing body to make sure there's a proper development pathway in place and scholarship players (ie under-16s) aren't just abandoned with nowhere to go when they hit 16 because a club hasn't the resources or ambition to run the full range of junior development.

Far from unnecessary, I'd say it's essential.


Quite right tb, if a Championship club with Super League aspirations can't see that that is a serious hinderance then in my opinion that club isn't fit to run a Scholarship programme or any kind of player development programme as they obviously don't understand the basics of player development pathways etc.

Barnacle Bill wrote:But those players will sign up knowing that there are limitations on how far they can go at that club, if that suits those players, then what is the problem?

Yeah because 13 year old rugby league players are noted for their intelligence and forward thinking.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:01 am 
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BigRob wrote:Yeah because 13 year old rugby league players are noted for their intelligence and forward thinking.


I imagine that their parents may have some input, sufficient to perhaps weigh up the pros and cons of signing up with the local club (and a limited development path, at that club) or a club further away with a pathway right through to the first team (in theory).

How many 13 year olds on scholarships actually make it all the way through to first team rugby for the club they sign onto the scholarship programme with?






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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:05 am 
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Richie wrote:None of this prevents Leigh coaching junior players. The rules just say they can't call their scheme an RFL accredited scholarship because they don't meet the criteria for accreditation.

Surely you agree there should be criteria? And that if our junior structure is to be a "performance pathway" that the pathway doesn't have unnecessary dead-ends.


I don't see why this is a dead end. The good players (that want to continue their development) will be signed up at clubs that run under 18's the not so good ones won't, in any event all will have gained from the availability of another scholarship programme.






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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:13 am 
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Or perhaps Leigh can do this:

Quote:We are therefore left with no alternative than to go with the RFL player pathway which will run alongside the regional programme."

"The club will select 20 players 10 from each age group under 15s and under 16s who will train at Leigh once a week and then will attend regional sessions with a further 8 players who will have been identified by the regional selectors."

"At least we can monitor the progress of the players selected and formulate a development program and player pathway for them to become future Leigh Centurions players."






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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:15 am 
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dally messenger wrote:lots of talk over here about one of our clubs signing the current wallaby halfback


Who?

Or is it just to support the current salary cap debate going on over in the nrl.






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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:29 am 
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RFL's Operational Rules wrote:SECTION E9: SCHOLARSHIP SCHEME RULES

Membership of the Scholarship Scheme shall be open to member clubs of Super League and National Leagues 1 and 2 that can demonstrate their capacity to fulfill the aims, ambitions and regulations of the scheme by providing a modern Rugby League education and ensuring the welfare of the scholar in line with the RFL Safeguarding Policy and Operational Rules.
Clubs will receive a yearly Scholarship accreditation of Primary, Advanced or High Performance accreditation dependant on their ability to meet the criteria as determined by the Performance Department from time to time.

RULES AND REGULATIONS
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The RFL to approve and sanction each clubs scholarship scheme according to the criteria set out from time to time.

1.3
Scholarship clubs must continue to meet the current Minimum Standards of the scheme as may be amended from time to time by the RFL. The minimum standards will be based around the games “Long Term Player Development” model and will include a quality Rugby League Education. Career and Academic advice and assistance, and access for the scholar to receive physiotherapy and medical treatment at his club.


It appears the RFL took the stance that Leigh wouldn't comply with the minimum standards surrounding the LTPD model.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:32 am 
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As for the salary cap exemption debate - personally I think that 1 per team, 50% of wage exempt from the salary cap would be a good way to go. But would have to be first pro RL contract to stop any shenanigans that would doubtless ensue otherwise.
I think it would encourage teams to go for Union players who sadly are more well known in the media than our own players. I don't think there would be much "damage" to youth development since it would be giving the game a higher profile.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:11 am 
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There seems to be two schools of thought on the salary cap:

1. Its there to stifle clubs in order to make an even competetion and allow poor clubs to compete with the well off, thus essentially penalising said big clubs. Folk with this opinion constantly look for ways around the cap, examptions, or just things to blame on it.

2. (and this is mine) If there wasn't a salary cap then the combination of running a sports club as a successful business with the general lack of money in sport would mean, sooner or later (probably), every club would end up oversreached financially and looking at insolvency, thus causing an awful lot more damage to the sport than losing Chris Ashton to RU.






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Guiseley_Rhino wrote:Who?

Or is it just to support the current salary cap debate going on over in the nrl.


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