Andy Gilder wrote:As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, perhaps Smith is mindful of what happened to him last time he upset Saints with a refereeing performance?
It's the only possible explanation for not realising that a) Roby initially grounded the ball short and b) the tackle was therefore completed at that point and any subsequent loss of control is a knock-on, scrum to Crusaders.
I'm not prepared to concede that he simply doesn't understand the laws of the game or that he saw a completely different replay to anyone else, so it has to be a concious decision to find a reason to award the try.
But, there could have been no argument from anyone if that try had nnot have been given.
No one I know expected the word "TRY" to come up on the screen after watching the replays.
Your point would be valid if it was a 50/50 decision and it was turned down.
Kelvin's Ferret wrote:Bill Harragan got stood down for his video howler in the St G vs Manly game last week, but I doubt we'd ever see that happen in the UK. I remember when Cummins used to do a column in which he'd argue black was white in the defence of referee mistakes, can't say it inspires confidence.
Difference is Bill Harrigan stood himself down. Can you see Smith walking in and saying... I think you should drop me? I think not.
Andy Gilder wrote:As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, perhaps Smith is mindful of what happened to him last time he upset Saints with a refereeing performance?
It's the only possible explanation .
He must have forgot about that when he disallowed Emmitts try.
[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that.
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Another classic:
[quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban.
Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player.
Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666
0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match".
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Andy Gilder wrote:.. a) Roby initially grounded the ball short and b) the tackle was therefore completed at that point and any subsequent loss of control is a knock-on, scrum to Crusaders.
I'm not prepared to concede that he simply doesn't understand the laws of the game or that he saw a completely different replay to anyone else, so it has to be a concious decision to find a reason to award the try.
What he said. Also, it appears to be the first VR abomination that has been pretty much universally agreed as being utter gash. Certainly that i can remember. If a man can give THAT as a try, then he should be permanently relieved of VR duties on the ground of incompetence.
What did Eddie say? That they had received a shout about "the ball never lost contact with the arm"? Hard to do, but if that really was the attempt at justification then it makes it even worse.
I've been saying for years that we simply do not have VRs who are competent to do the job, and on that basis there is no point to it, and unless and until we give the VR job to someone who can actually see what is happening on a 2D screen correctly, the string of unbelievable cockups is certain to continue. Although we may not better that one for "VR Cockup Of The Decade".
On second thoughts, over the years it does sadly have plenty of stiff competition.
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Don Brennan wrote:He must have forgot about that when he disallowed Emmitts try.
This is where Ian Smith has decided to use the "2 wrongs make a right" card. Emmitts try looked OK and he must have realised that after the "no try button" so he,s just evened it up with Roby's "no try" is a try.
Noticed this is creeping into the game a bit more with referees, they make a few "howlers" in a match then find a way of rewarding a penalty or a try in compensation.
But to do it in a televised game is suicidal in Ian Smiths case.
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Gaslight wrote:Blind bias at its best
Downward pressure? he didn't even touch the ball until it hit the ground ergo knock on, learn the rules.
As you say, don't let facts spoil your rant
He was touching the ball AS it hit the ground just like he would have done if he had oh I dont know perhaps............................grouded the ball for a try ergo it was a try.
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Gaslight wrote:Yes it did, the ball hit the ground and a split second later Watts gets a finger nail on the ball, it's a knock on you're just the single most biassed idiot there is, if it isn't telling fans not to bother going to your dump if they want to stand up it's thinking a clear knock on by one of your players is a try. It really is pointless even trying to use logic with you because you don't have the mental capacity (or just plain refuse to want to believe) facts.
I guess after rewatching it you will now agree you are wrong ergo you are talking out of you anus
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Harrigan wrote:Difference is Bill Harrigan stood himself down. Can you see Smith walking in and saying... I think you should drop me? I think not.
He didn't really, he got stood down by Finch, he just admitted he screwed up and deserved to be stood down rather than pretending he was right when everyone else thought he needed a white stick. It is true that Cummins is loathe to criticise bad referreing, to the extent where he'll appear contrarian in his support for bad calls, so we're far less likely to see anybody stood down in the UK.
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