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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:19 pm 
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On a related point, did Hull CC have any money invested with icelandic banks before they went pop?






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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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Mild Rover wrote:Imperfect as it is, I think this compares pretty favourably with its less than impartial 'Rovers get the begging bowl out' cousin. :)
The above is a straw man, IMO - I don't think anybody has written anything like that. The KC is what it is and nobody is trying to change that. Without having to exaggerate their extent, we can see clearly that it has offered Hull FC great benefits. Hull KR would like to benefit in a similar way, albeit on a much smaller scale - which is natural enough. There may be economic and political arguments against the council helping to improve CP - but it very difficult to see any legitimate moral objection to Rovers , or their fans, asking.


At this juncture, everybody should just stand back and give three cheers to Mild Rover. Great work Squire.






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retro_muz wrote:If the council invest in a new North stand then yes i'd expect them to take rent (on the North stand) or a cut of profits made. I mentioned it earlier they could take 75% of all takings to begin with and then perhaps decrease this to 50% as the money is repaid, or something along those lines...?

What profits are we on about? HKR have failed to get anywhere near breaking even, so I think talk of profits is laughable.
The directors of the club should fund any improvements, at the end of the day it would be them( the owners of this private company) who would stand to benefit if the club ever managed to become a viable venture.

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Bubbashrimp wrote:What profits are we on about? HKR have failed to get anywhere near breaking even, so I think talk of profits is laughable.
The directors of the club should fund any improvements, at the end of the day it would be them( the owners of this private company) who would stand to benefit if the club ever managed to become a viable venture.


Ok take a cut of the income the North Stand brings in, that ok Bubbashrimp?

Anyhow Jake the peg and I have managed to come to an arrangement, take your negativity elsewhere. 8)

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Bubbashrimp wrote:What profits are we on about? HKR have failed to get anywhere near breaking even, so I think talk of profits is laughable.
The directors of the club should fund any improvements, at the end of the day it would be them( the owners of this private company) who would stand to benefit if the club ever managed to become a viable venture.


A 10k average crowd would see us break even and even start making inroads on the debt. Add to that the facilities a new stand could provide, the fact we don't need a complete new build stadium like other clubs do and the fact it would further help develop an area very much on the cc's priority list for regeneration, and you have a very viable and attractive project for them to invest in that wouldn't cost the earth.

Realistically no one should expect a new ground, or even the council to bankroll all the work on the current one, but as I said earlier there's no harm in seeing what arrangements can be made, and the petition might be asking for alot of things, but if all it does is raise the issue a little higher and demonstrates the strength of feeling, for me it's done its job.

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Interesting arguments all round, wether we should get any cash in these times is a fair debate & as I dont pay rates in Hull its nothing to do with me, but one point should be made to those who say public money should not be used to help private companys. That is what the councils/goverment are elected to do! help in every way possible to ease the way for companys & people to prosper. They are our sevants we pay for them they in theory should do as they are told by thier employers, I wont hold my breath though.

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Beverley red wrote:Interesting arguments all round, wether we should get any cash in these times is a fair debate & as I dont pay rates in Hull its nothing to do with me, but one point should be made to those who say public money should not be used to help private companys. That is what the councils/goverment are elected to do! help in every way possible to ease the way for companys & people to prosper. They are our sevants we pay for them they in theory should do as they are told by thier employers, I wont hold my breath though.


the role of a government is not to waste money on tin pot financially failing sports clubs like Hull KR when the whole economy is in debt thanks to a previous government that most people in hull would have voted for. You reap what you sow.






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World of Redboy wrote:the role of a government is not to waste money on tin pot financially failing sports clubs like Hull KR when the whole economy is in debt thanks to a previous government that most people in hull would have voted for. You reap what you sow.


The arguments about what goverments spend cash on is always valid & just that an argument. But my point is valid the governments & councils job is to do what the voters tell them (that is not the same as doing the correct thing) they dont, but if enough people in Hull make enough noise they may get there wish if the labour try & buy votes off the lib dems. I do think though that it would be quiet correct for the council to spend money on sports clubs (tin pot or not) helping small or large firms to prosper just as long as the voters back them. It might help if they could afford it.

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retro_muz wrote:Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community…..


So Hull City are a West Hull only team?

retro_muz wrote:I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...


You're really not grasping the raison d'etre of the KC stadium, are you?

retro_muz wrote:Yes, and i can get to the KC no problem.



Aye, most people in Hull can, as well as giving easy access to those coming off the Clive Sullivan Way - that's why it was built there.... as a facility benefiting the whole of Hull.

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But surly it would be a good thing for Craven Parks local community to have similar local facilities, local not being a 30min bus journey then a 15-20min walk.


You are joking, aren't you? What populace of East Hull, never mind all of Hull are "local" to the New CP? It actually takes less time - and is far more convenient with less walking - for me (a West Hull resident) to get via coach to many Super League grounds than to navigate the nightmare using public transport that a journey to your place entails. Your 30 min bus journey and a 15-20 min walk is a dream of a journey to most contemplating a trip to the New CP. :lol:

retro_muz wrote:The Hull City Council would be helping out a club from Hull, supported by residents from Hull and improving an area of Hull, its not like the money would be going abroad or wasted on something that wouldn't be used.


It's the back of beyond, mate. Realistically, how many other prime community locations should the Council consider BEFORE Craven Park?

retro_muz wrote:If the council invest in a new North stand then yes i'd expect them to take rent (on the North stand) or a cut of profits made. I mentioned it earlier they could take 75% of all takings to begin with and then perhaps decrease this to 50% as the money is repaid, or something along those lines...?



Ah - the crux of the matter.

Can Rovers afford this? Is not the reason they need the council input in the first place that they need to increase their crowds? They are placing all the eggs in the basket of the improvements doing this. If they don't (and your crowds are dropping even though your capacity is not reached) then you may have negotiated a white elephant here. No significant progress towards the 10K Hudge has stressed is the minimum break-even target before the board get cold feet and call time, and a new drain of funds to the council to boot.

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