Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:05 pm
Robbo4
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Some of the more sensible posters on here appear to be banging their head against a brick wall. Some Rovers fans will never be convinced of anything other than the council literally threw £43 million quid at Hull FC to build themselves a nice shiney new stadium anywhere they wanted and which they could use free of charge. No way in hell was there a whole consultation process with several possible sites considered and the best possible site chosen based on things like transport links. No Sireeeee it was all down to Hull FC demanding the council build them a stadium and only in the exact position they want. In fact I can exclusively reveal that the ONLY reason the stadium was built was so that Hull FC could get one over on Rovers. Fact.
Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:14 pm
Sandro II Terrorista
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Robbo4 wrote:Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?
Costs FC hundreds of thousands to play at The Kentucky Fooky Chucky, they don't even own it and the players have to clean all The Tiggers boots on a Sunday morning.
This has come about because it was all and only Rovers fans involved in the consultation every step of the way.
There is also one of those hideous green and orange Matchwinner kits buried under the half way line that I put a Romany curse on, back when I was a Romany from Romney Marsh before I found true love with gingerspice and moved to America, which with hindsight was a poor decision as it's costing me a fortune in plane tickets as a season pass holder and shoes because of all the ones I've ruined by crying on them when she calls me a mental.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:36 pm
Barnacle Bill
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Joined: May 15 2006 Posts: 2912
World of Redboy wrote:For a club that is £3million plus in debt and losing upwards of £500k year, what return are the council actually going to get for it's investment. Will it be a case of selling 2015 season passes in 2012 to cover the financial shortfall of actually paying a proper rent?
Councils the length and breadth of the UK routinely offer support to businesses. The "return" they recieve is new jobs or safeguarding existing jobs and a boost to the local economy. Keeping businesses in business and paying business rates, people in employment paying rent and council tax as opposed to receiving rent allowance and benefits.
An economist might also cite the multiplier effect but I fear it would be lost on most posters who hold your stance on this argument.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:48 pm
Barnacle Bill
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Mild Rover wrote:No, but there is if you have predetermined that you are using local contractors, irrespective of whether they are most suitable. You can define suitability in such a way as to make your desired outcome more likely, but this requires at least a little subtlety. What you can't do is come out and openly guarantee the work to local firms - as I understand it, anyway.
Guarantee no, because the businesses need to be able to prove competence to carry out the work, but as long as they are then there is nothing wrong with the council awarding the contracts to local companies, even if they are more expensive than an out of town business.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:16 pm
Jake the Peg
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Robbo4 wrote:Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?
80% of current rovers fans weren't watching the club when those accusations were flying around
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:17 pm
Mild Rover
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12664 Location: Leicestershire.
Digger_the_Dog wrote:What part of my post do you think is silly?
Well this wasn't great:
Digger_the_Dog wrote:dumb feckers
after i had written this:
Mild Rover wrote:Everybody cut down on the personal insults please. It is an emotive issue with arguments to be made on both sides, but let's do it maturely.
So can everyone, please take this as a final warning? Rhetorical question.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:18 pm
Digby
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retro_muz wrote:Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community….. whatever, have facilities that at the time cost 40+ million to build and the funds came from lots of clean cut profit the council made from the King Comms share boom.
Why can’t HKR and its surrounding East Hull community have what would essentially be a tiny amount in comparison of that profit thrown at them to build a new North Stand with facilities similar to the KC only on a much smaller scale?
I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.
Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.
Preston Road got 56 million through NDC and East Park has had just had over 10 million I believe on it's transformation. East Hull gets it's share.
Phil Webbo would probably of been in his element here as a poster but I assume his return to Form as a Branshplme Councillor means he is now verbally shackled.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:24 pm
retro_muz
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World of Redboy wrote:For a club that is £3million plus in debt and losing upwards of £500k year, what return are the council actually going to get for it's investment. Will it be a case of selling 2015 season passes in 2012 to cover the financial shortfall of actually paying a proper rent?
75/50% of all takings from a new North Stands ticket sales, the percentage decreasing year on year... 100% of takings from any other facilities thrown into a new Stand and which are ran by the council...
The Hull City Council would be helping out a club from Hull, supported by residents from Hull and improving an area of Hull, its not like the money would be going abroad or wasted on something that wouldn't be used.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:35 pm
retro_muz
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Joined: Nov 22 2006 Posts: 957 Location: Earth
Digby wrote:Preston Road got 56 million through NDC and East Park has had just had over 10 million I believe on it's transformation. East Hull gets it's share.
Phil Webbo would probably of been in his element here as a poster but I assume his return to Form as a Branshplme Councillor means he is now verbally shackled.
I don’t know what gets spent and where but you’re absolutely right East Hull does get its fair share, my post you’ve quoted maybe sounds like I’m stood caressing a violin on behalf of East Hull, I’m not.
At the end of the day it goes back to the petition the Rovers fan group submitted asking for a slice of the King Comms profit to improve Craven Park, profit which Hull City & FC have done well from. (which is great)
FC fans: ‘Well Rovers had their chance to play at the KC’ Rovers fans: ‘Never going to happen the clubs based in East Hull’ Etc etc, blah blah blah
Personally I’d be happy with a couple of million to help, I don’t expect anything like the scale of the KC/West park development and i don't think the petition is asking for that.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:38 pm
Jake the Peg
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retro_muz wrote:I don’t know what gets spent and where but you’re absolutely right East Hull does get its fair share, my post you’ve quoted maybe sounds like I’m stood caressing a violin on behalf of East Hull, I’m not.
At the end of the day it goes back to the petition the Rovers fan group submitted asking for a slice of the King Comms profit to improve Craven Park, profit which Hull City & FC have done well from. (which is great)
FC fans: ‘Well Rovers had their chance to play at the KC’ Rovers fans: ‘Never going to happen the clubs based in East Hull’ Etc etc, blah blah blah
Personally I’d be happy with a couple of million to help, I don’t expect anything like the scale of the KC/West park development and i don't think the petition is asking for that.
Would you agree that rovers should start to pay proper rent on the stadium if the council do dip their hands into their pocket?
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