Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:34 am
Sandro II Terrorista
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A local stadium for local people.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:35 am
Neil HFC
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Gordon Gekko wrote:I wouldn't have any problem with the council upgrading CP providing it represents value to the taxpayer. The KC was built from one off funds and wasn't built purely for Hull City and Hull FC but the wider community. If HCC are to fund any stadia improvements then imho the land and buildings must be wholly owned by HCC and the whole facility must be run by an independant management committee along the same lines as the SMC with the remit of getting VFM for the ratepayers of Hull.
On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.
That would break pretty well every procuremnt rule in the book.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:39 am
Neil HFC
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retro_muz wrote:I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...
So, Hull have sole use of the stadium, all the offices, all the surrounding sports pitches and every other facility at the stadium, for free? If thats not the case then its a bit of blairesque spin to say Hull have had 40 million spent on them.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:16 pm
Barnacle Bill
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Mild Rover wrote:I can see the political attractions in that from everybody's POV, but it could be dangerous. Firstly it'd have to be done on a nod and a wink, because it'd be illegally protectionist. If Hull-based firms don't represent best value to the taxpayer that could kick up a different type of stink, especially if any have links to councillors. And if Hull gets a reputation for this sort of thing, it could disadvantage its firms when they bid for contratcs in other cities. I'm not saying don't do it, just to be careful, sensible and not use it openly/officially as a selling point.
Local councils can and do require that contractors meet certain conditions. There is nothing wrong with Hull City council requiring that some or all of the work be carried out by local contractors. The value requirement would still exist but it would be which company, after deciding all those which meet other criteria (location, size, competence, timescales etc.) will charge the lowest price.
There is certainly no need for a "nod and a wink" basis for selecting the most suitable contractor.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:38 pm
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Barnacle Bill wrote:There is certainly no need for a "nod and a wink" basis for selecting the most suitable contractor.
No, but there is if you have predetermined that you are using local contractors, irrespective of whether they are most suitable. You can define suitability in such a way as to make your desired outcome more likely, but this requires at least a little subtlety. What you can't do is come out and openly guarantee the work to local firms - as I understand it, anyway.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:51 pm
Gordon Gekko
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retro_muz wrote:I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...
That £40m was spent on a facility that would benefit the city as a whole. Its location is irrelevant.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:09 pm
Digger_the_Dog
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Gordon Gekko wrote:That £40m was spent on a facility that would benefit the city as a whole. Its location is irrelevant.
Do you ever get the impression you are opening your mouth (or in this case wiggling your fingers) but there is just a load of blank faced, open mouthed, simpletons totally missing the whole point about the KC and why it had to be placed where it is for the good of the Whole City as well as visitors from other City's?
I despair when I think there are actually 10,000 people in this City who signed that thing and believe the rubbish it stands for!! No wonder Hull is bottom of so many league tables, including the begging bowl league table now as we just created 10,000 more people wanting handouts. That must eclipse even the London begging squad!!
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:11 pm
Sandro II Terrorista
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Can you say that again, I drooled into my keyboard and it blew up.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:15 pm
retro_muz
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Quote:So, Hull have sole use of the stadium, all the offices, all the surrounding sports pitches and every other facility at the stadium, for free? If that’s not the case then its a bit of blairesque spin to say Hull have had 40 million spent on them.
Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community….. whatever, have facilities that at the time cost 40+ million to build and the funds came from lots of clean cut profit the council made from the King Comms share boom.
Why can’t HKR and its surrounding East Hull community have what would essentially be a tiny amount in comparison of that profit thrown at them to build a new North Stand with facilities similar to the KC only on a much smaller scale?
I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.
Quote:That £40m was spent on a facility that would benefit the city as a whole. Its location is irrelevant.
Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:18 pm
Gordon Gekko
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Digger_the_Dog wrote:Do you ever get the impression you are opening your mouth (or in this case wiggling your fingers) but there is just a load of blank faced, open mouthed, simpletons totally missing the whole point about the KC and why it had to be placed where it is for the good of the Whole City as well as visitors from other City's? I despair when I think there are actually 10,000 people in this City who signed that thing and believe the rubbish it stands for!! No wonder Hull is bottom of so many league tables, including the begging bowl league table now as we just created 10,000 more people wanting handouts. That must eclipse even the London begging squad!!
Don't say that........I signed it!!!!
Mind you it was a loaded question Effectively it said Do you want to continue watching Rugby in this dump or would you prefer better facilities??
Bit of a no brainer
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