Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:35 am
Sandro II Terrorista
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Mrs Barista wrote:Or, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one.
Could you point me in the direction of where Hull Kingston Rovers have made any petitions to Hull City Council for stadium funding within the last month. I was under the impression that it was a recently formed independant fans group that had organised this.
Mrs Barista wrote:The council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.
The relevance of a team engaging in a different sport several years ago is relevant how?
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:41 am
Digger_the_Dog
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The Goroka Gene-ius wrote:It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, the offer of playing in West Hull would have been the last nail in the coffin for Rovers in 2002/03. We might as well have ground-shared with York, it would have been more palatable to the faithful then.
If the KC had been built on Holderness Road, would FC have taken up an offer to play there
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Pathetic question.
Where on Holderness road would this stadium be? And if not there where exactly did all these gimps signing the petition want the KC to be built to be more central and close to transport links in order to please the Red and Whites? Kingswood? Miles from Stations, Motorways and most of the estates in Hull. Sutton Fields? See above. Hedon Road? Miles away from the Station and too far away from most of the estates in Hull.
Why cant these dumb feckers see that unless you want to put it in the River Hull the stadium is as central as it could be, as well as being a 5 minute walk from the train and bus station and with excellent access to the A63.
Do you really think the Council had it in for all 500 Rovers fans when they built the stadium?
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:42 am
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Mrs Barista wrote:Or, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one. Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium. And that the council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.
The RFL have made facilities an important criterion in licensing, so clubs who have not yet secured public investment or cannot provide funding of their own (RL is not a wealthy sport after all), need to look at ways of doing so. It is the same for Wakefield, Salford, Cas and, before it went down the pan, Bradford. Rovers response has been rational, and while the aim of new stadium seems unrealistic, using the precedent of the KC is an obvious piece of advocacy to push the case for some sort of support. I don't know about anything about the Stingrays, so I'm not sure how pertinent that is. If the local authority wants (ie it makes political sense) to have two K-u-Hull clubs in SL long-term, they need to either support improvements at CP (which I think they will), or everybody has to accept Rovers at the KC - which seems deeply unpalatable to a majority of both Hull and Rovers fans. Are there any stadiums that host 3 senior clubs regularly? I can't think of any in the UK.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:45 am
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Mild Rover wrote:The RFL have made facilities an important criterion in licensing, so clubs who have not yet secured public investment or cannot provide funding of their own (RL is not a wealthy sport after all), need to look at ways of doing so. It is the same for Wakefield, Salford, Cas and, before it went down the pan, Bradford. Rovers response has been rational, and while the aim of new stadium seems unrealistic, using the precedent of the KC is an obvious piece of advocacy to push the case for some sort of support. I don't know about anything about the Stingrays, so I'm not sure how pertinent that is. If the local authority wants (ie it makes political sense) to have two K-u-Hull clubs in SL long-term, they need to either support improvements at CP (which I think they will), or everybody has to accept Rovers at the KC - which seems deeply unpalatable to a majority of both Hull and Rovers fans. Are there any stadiums that host 3 senior clubs regularly? I can't think of any in the UK.
I wouldn't have any problem with the council upgrading CP providing it represents value to the taxpayer. The KC was built from one off funds and wasn't built purely for Hull City and Hull FC but the wider community. If HCC are to fund any stadia improvements then imho the land and buildings must be wholly owned by HCC and the whole facility must be run by an independant management committee along the same lines as the SMC with the remit of getting VFM for the ratepayers of Hull.
On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:10 am
retro_muz
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Mrs Barista wrote:Have you even read Jake The Peg's post? Rovers have had plenty of public funding in the same way that Hull Stingrays did. If the council paid for stadium extensions and crowds did not materially increase, the investment would represent very poor value for money. Remember how much passes are going to cost for 2012 and the current gloomy environment and it's fair to say that materially and consistently increasing crowds by more than 20% is very challenging.
Hull Stingrays? How can you compare a team from a sport nobody in this country let alone Hull is interested in with a team in the City which has the potential to attract an average of 10k crowds. An investment in HKR would be a far more solid investment then any money thrown at the town’s ice hockey club.
As for increasing crowds I’ve no doubt it would be harder in the current financial climate but we can't afford to wait, moving to the KC did FC and the Tigers crowds no end of good and I’d expect it to boost rovers average attendance too.
Quote:Or, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one. Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium. And that the council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.
Rovers like a lot of teams in Superleague are struggling to fulfil commitments, would it be that bad for the council to help Rovers with a boost from King Comms money, improving facilities for everyone who visits CP. Nobody is asking for a mini KC and 40 odd million.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:42 am
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retro_muz wrote:Hull Stingrays? How can you compare a team from a sport nobody in this country let alone Hull is interested in with a team in the City which has the potential to attract an average of 10k crowds. An investment in HKR would be a far more solid investment then any money thrown at the town’s ice hockey club.
I'm sure Rovers made that point the previous half a dozen times they've taken cash off the council.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:24 am
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The Goroka Gene-ius wrote: If the KC had been built on Holderness Road, would FC have taken up an offer to play there?
Probably we started out on Holderness Road.
The fact is Holderness road was never going to happen. West park was the more logical choice. If they wanted to pick East Park and spend hundreds of millions on road links then I'm sure Hull would have been happy to move there. Afterall FC are a club from all of hull, More than half our season pass holders live east, don't you know.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:32 am
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Gordon Gekko wrote:On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.
I can see the political attractions in that from everybody's POV, but it could be dangerous. Firstly it'd have to be done on a nod and a wink, because it'd be illegally protectionist. If Hull-based firms don't represent best value to the taxpayer that could kick up a different type of stink, especially if any have links to councillors. And if Hull gets a reputation for this sort of thing, it could disadvantage its firms when they bid for contratcs in other cities. I'm not saying don't do it, just to be careful, sensible and not use it openly/officially as a selling point.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:33 am
retro_muz
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Gordon Gekko wrote:I'm sure Rovers made that point the previous half a dozen times they've taken cash off the council.
I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...
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