Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:43 am
hull_lad01
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Joined: Jan 22 2006 Posts: 4687 Location: West Hull
Mild Rover wrote:As a point of pedantry, the UK returned to positive growth at the end of last year. The country is still skint, though, and there is the possibility of a double dip.
To be honest, I don't mind Hull fans objecting (ideally on the Hull board, if they are going to be very sour, which tbf your post isn't). What galls me a bit is the combination of a 'should have taken the offer to use the Casey', with 'a missed the boat', 'had their chance' attitude that suggests, to me, you'd prefer Rovers not to play a better stadium - perish the thought.
You can have a stadium that costs more and is more superior to the KC as far as I'm concerned.
1 penny of my council tax money goes into it tho and I'll see that the local authority are taken to the cleaners by the press and the Government.
This would also be the case of the same happened to money from the authority invested in the KC.
BTW no sourness here mate, think you'll find the only sour people are each and everyone who signed a pathetic petition
Why not get each of your fans to donate £1 each, you'll have about £8 million then wouldn't you according to some in here saying how many fans you have
HULL FC, 2005 CHALLENGE CUP WINNERS 2006 Grand Final Runner up 2008 CHALLENGE CUP FINALIST 2013 CHALLENGE CUP FINALIST
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:56 am
Bubbashrimp
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Joined: Dec 26 2009 Posts: 204
rover49 wrote:Do these FC muppets believe Salford, Wakey and cas (should they all get new grounds) will have absolutely no tax/ratepayers money involved. FC and City have benefitted well out of the flotation money and East Hull has largely been ignored (ok, technically the deep is in East Hull, but its really a city centre project that doesn't benefit the east in any way). As a tax payer, I dont expect the council to build us a brand new ground, but a part investment in a north stand that includes worthwhile community use is not much to ask.
As a council tax payer in Hedon,how much of your ERYCC tax would be put towards the facilities that you are asking for? East Hull has had the lions share of any centrally funded money for years,Prescott saw to that.Now you are asking the council to help fund a business that struggles from one year to the next. As far as I am concerned,if HCC decides to bail you lot out again, then that means they have far to much cash spare and I for one will be asking why the bills are so high when they can make dodgy investments in a private company that is not run that competently.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:57 am
retro_muz
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Bubbashrimp wrote:As a council tax payer in Hedon,how much of your ERYCC tax would be put towards the facilities that you are asking for? East Hull has had the lions share of any centrally funded money for years,Prescott saw to that.Now you are asking the council to help fund a business that struggles from one year to the next. As far as I am concerned,if HCC decides to bail you lot out again, then that means they have far to much cash spare and I for one will be asking why the bills are so high when they can make dodgy investments in a private company that is not run that competently.
Which ever way you look at it FC and City as clubs have gained massively from the King Comms share boom bonanza….. sale, and the KC is great, it’s brought high profile music events and Premiership football (arguably) to Hull. Rovers did not benefit massively from it, and before it’s mentioned again, HKR playing at the KC was never going to happen.
The fans of Rovers aren't asking for a mini KC, it’s a helping hand in providing better facilities that to be honest FC fans complain more than anyone we haven’t currently got!!
As for the highlighted points in your post, do you even remember the Gateshead merger and why it came about?!! FC hardly got to where they are today completely on their own merit.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:14 am
Mrs Barista
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Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
retro_muz wrote:Which ever way you look at it FC and City as clubs have gained massively from the King Comms share boom bonanza….. sale, and the KC is great, it’s brought high profile music events and Premiership football (arguably) to Hull. Rovers did not benefit massively from it, and before it’s mentioned again, HKR playing at the KC was never going to happen.
The fans of Rovers aren't asking for a mini KC, it’s a helping hand in providing better facilities that to be honest FC fans complain more than anyone we haven’t currently got!!
As for the highlighted points in your post, do you even remember the Gateshead merger and why it came about?!! FC hardly got to where they are today completely on their own merit.
Have you even read Jake The Peg's post? Rovers have had plenty of public funding in the same way that Hull Stingrays did. If the council paid for stadium extensions and crowds did not materially increase, the investment would represent very poor value for money. Remember how much passes are going to cost for 2012 and the current gloomy environment and it's fair to say that materially and consistently increasing crowds by more than 20% is very challenging.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:27 am
Mild Rover
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Mrs Barista wrote:Have you even read Jake The Peg's post? Rovers have had plenty of public funding in the same way that Hull Stingrays did. If the council paid for stadium extensions and crowds did not materially increase, the investment would represent very poor value for money. Remember how much passes are going to cost for 2012 and the current gloomy environment and it's fair to say that materially and consistently increasing crowds by more than 20% is very challenging.
How much money do we estimate Rovers have received from the public purse in effective subsidy over the last 25-30 years? Gordon Gekko mentioned hundreds of thousands of pounds. Not to be sniffed at, but still two orders of magnitude (sorry, I'm scientist - I say 'decant' instead of 'pour', on occasion as well) less than the £40 m spent on the KC (for FC and City - and as I'm not engaged in advocacy potentially Hull KR). The issue isn't so much how often help has been handed out, but how much.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:18 am
Mrs Barista
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Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
Mild Rover wrote:How much money do we estimate Rovers have received from the public purse in effective subsidy over the last 25-30 years? Gordon Gekko mentioned hundreds of thousands of pounds. Not to be sniffed at, but still two orders of magnitude (sorry, I'm scientist - I say 'decant' instead of 'pour', on occasion as well) less than the £40 m spent on the KC (for FC and City - and as I'm not engaged in advocacy potentially Hull KR). The issue isn't so much how often help has been handed out, but how much.
Or, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one. Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium. And that the council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:22 am
SirStan
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Joined: Sep 18 2005 Posts: 8742 Location: 2017 City of Culture
Mrs Barista wrote: Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, the offer of playing in West Hull would have been the last nail in the coffin for Rovers in 2002/03. We might as well have ground-shared with York, it would have been more palatable to the faithful then.
If the KC had been built on Holderness Road, would FC have taken up an offer to play there?
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