Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:12 pm
Jake the Peg
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rover49 wrote:Do these FC muppets believe Salford, Wakey and cas (should they all get new grounds) will have absolutely no tax/ratepayers money involved. FC and City have benefitted well out of the flotation money and East Hull has largely been ignored (ok, technically the deep is in East Hull, but its really a city centre project that doesn't benefit the east in any way). As a tax payer, I dont expect the council to build us a brand new ground, but a part investment in a north stand that includes worthwhile community use is not much to ask.
Driving down preston road the other day I couldn't believe how much money has been spent knocking down council houses, landscaping and building shiny new buildings for the deprived communities of east hull. I also see they're building some monstrosity of a school which will, I'm sure, greatly imprve educational standards before they close it and knock it down in 2017.
I don't really believe that anyone thinks more money should be pumped into the area purely because rovers can't afford a new stand.
Wasn't the land the current ground is on sold to the club at massively under market value because the club couldn't afford to buy the land otherwise?
Didn't the council lift the restrictive covenant allowing rovers to sell some of the land to ease their financial worries a few years back?
Didn't the council buy the stadium from rovers to stop them folding?
Didn't the council lease back the stadium to gaingroup at a peppercorn rent, a rent which has been passed on to rover meaning they have no stadium costs other than upkeep?
Didn't the council sell rovers the old greatfield school for a pittance?
Don't Hull FC pay in excess of £1/2m a year to play at the KC and they receive next to nothing from bar and refreshment sales on match days?
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:16 pm
Jake the Peg
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red chilli wrote:I don't want a brand new stadium , a fruitball stadium , the KC is a lovely stadium no doubt , but these new stadiums lack atmosphere in my opinion , i wouldn't swap Craven Park for the world the atmosphere when the East stand are in full voice is awesome , these new seated stadiums kill that .
Amazing that it's universally accepted that the KC on derby day has an atmosphere better than anything seen in east hull since VE day
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:33 pm
Neil HFC
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Jake the Peg wrote:Driving down preston road the other day I couldn't believe how much money has been spent knocking down council houses, landscaping and building shiny new buildings for the deprived communities of east hull. I also see they're building some monstrosity of a school which will, I'm sure, greatly imprve educational standards before they close it and knock it down in 2017.
I don't really believe that anyone thinks more money should be pumped into the area purely because rovers can't afford a new stand.
Wasn't the land the current ground is on sold to the club at massively under market value because the club couldn't afford to buy the land otherwise?
Didn't the council lift the restrictive covenant allowing rovers to sell some of the land to ease their financial worries a few years back?
Didn't the council buy the stadium from rovers to stop them folding?
Didn't the council lease back the stadium to gaingroup at a peppercorn rent, a rent which has been passed on to rover meaning they have no stadium costs other than upkeep?
Didn't the council sell rovers the old greatfield school for a pittance?
Don't Hull FC pay in excess of £1/2m a year to play at the KC and they receive next to nothing from bar and refreshment sales on match days?
But apart from that, what have the council ever done for Rovers/East Hull?
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:46 pm
Mild Rover
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Neil HFC wrote:But apart from that, what have the council ever done for Rovers/East Hull?
Hypothetically, would you swap the benefits of the KC for a similar level of 'subsidy'?
While Hull pay good rent, isn't it tapered/crowd dependent so that the risk was loaded on to the stadium company/council? That could be wrong, but I'm sure I read it somewhere.
Now of course, Rovers could have/(still?), get the same deal, but would Hull fans have accepted playing in the east? Mind, as most of them are from east Hull, probably. Would have been the best location with hindsight, unless the Tigers' fans are 90% west Hull.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:08 pm
Neil HFC
Club Owner
Joined: Feb 10 2004 Posts: 16136 Location: Badsville
Mild Rover wrote:Hypothetically, would you swap the benefits of the KC for a similar level of 'subsidy'?
While Hull pay good rent, isn't it tapered/crowd dependent so that the risk was loaded on to the stadium company/council? That could be wrong, but I'm sure I read it somewhere.
Now of course, Rovers could have/(still?), get the same deal, but would Hull fans have accepted playing in the east? Mind, as most of them are from east Hull, probably. Would have been the best location with hindsight, unless the Tigers' fans are 90% west Hull.
Nope, I probably wouldn't, but then again I'm not the one claiming that the council has done nothing for east hull or rovers when that obviously isn't true. I've also always thought that the tradeoff of paying a chunk of money to the SMC was well worth it given what we are getting in return.
Regarding the rent, IIRC it was originally set at a certian percentage of gate sales over a specified figure. That figure was derived from historical attenances at the Boulevard. So, if the crowds ever dropped below a set figure we'd be paying nothing, if (as happened, damn those glory hunters ) the crowds went up we'd pay proportionatly more. There have been rumours that the agreement has been renegotiated since the original one, so I;ve no idea if that is still how it works.
As for the East/West thing, I'm pretty sure that sites were looked at in the East, Sutton Fields keeps getting mentioned (that would have suited me, almost staggering distance), Also the east/west divide is probably not as relevant today as it once was, and finally, wouldnt Rovers be returning to their really really historical side of the city if they moved west.
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) the crowds went up we'd pay proportionatly more. There have been rumours that the agreement has been renegotiated since the original one, so I;ve no idea if that is still how it works.
