Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:38 pm
Mild Rover
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Very one sided.
Hull FC have paid for their own expansion. Not one penny of Taxpayers money has gone into Hull FC via the KC Stadium. Hull pay for the use of the facility. FACT and Rovers rejected the same offer.
FWIW I think the council should invest in Craven Park. But the WHOLE Stadium should be for public and community use and a committee similar to the SMC should be set up to run the facility.
Private investors wouldn't have been likely to offer a similar deal to tenants though, I think it is fair to say, so it was a de facto subsidy. Rovers did reject the same offer, and if that offer remains on the table, it does make the case a little less compelling. While certainly the cheapest, Rovers moving to the KC doesn't strike me as the best option - and not just from Rovers' POV - I think it could very definately be a case of three's a crowd. Still, it is a strong argument for a impoverished council, if they renew the offer - either in good faith or playing chicken.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:45 pm
Gordon Gekko
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hkrdavidhkr wrote:did hull fc pay for their own expansion in 1999?
of course money goes into hull fc from taxpayers via the kc....... and it generates profits.... its called gate receipts or had you forgot about this. sp please dont give me the "Not one penny of Taxpayers money has gone into Hull FC via the KC Stadium."
If thats the case then Rovers have been dealt excactly the same cards, only they have not had the skills to take advantage of them. CP has had hundreds of thousands of pounds of council cash thrown at it over the past few years with very little in the way of return for the taxpayer.
Hull merely took advantage of a facility that was always going to be built and thanks to clever managment and marketing have made a huge success of it. A success which the taxpayers of Hull now get a return on.
The bleating from the east is nauseating.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:58 pm
Gordon Gekko
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Mild Rover wrote:Private investors wouldn't have been likely to offer a similar deal to tenants though, I think it is fair to say, so it was a de facto subsidy. Rovers did reject the same offer, and if that offer remains on the table, it does make the case a little less compelling. While certainly the cheapest, Rovers moving to the KC doesn't strike me as the best option - and not just from Rovers' POV - I think it could very definately be a case of three's a crowd. Still, it is a strong argument for a impoverished council, if they renew the offer - either in good faith or playing chicken.
Now that would be interesting
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:04 pm
Mild Rover
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Hull merely took advantage of a facility that was always going to be built and thanks to clever managment and marketing have made a huge success of it. A success which the taxpayers of Hull now get a return on.
Are you suggesting that the profits the KC generate for the council make it a good investment for Hull's taxpayers, judging it purely as a business? Even including barely tangibles like increased visitor numbers, I doubt it. What is the annual return?
Anyway, if it is such a success, surely that strengthens the case for something similar being done in East Hull...
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:28 pm
The Crown robins
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Gordon Gekko wrote:If thats the case then Rovers have been dealt excactly the same cards, only they have not had the skills to take advantage of them. CP has had hundreds of thousands of pounds of council cash thrown at it over the past few years with very little in the way of return for the taxpayer.
Hull merely took advantage of a facility that was always going to be built and thanks to clever managment and marketing have made a huge success of it. A success which the taxpayers of Hull now get a return on.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:04 pm
Sandro II Terrorista
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The Crown robins wrote:bugger off back west then
Mr. Gekko is a creature of the ether, he has no East and West, I don't think he's ever actually claimed an allegiance to either side of The Chocolate Rivers's, Tributary.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:40 pm
Neil HFC
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hkrdavidhkr wrote:dude you are a hypocrite mate .. fact kc paid for by 43million of public funding from the sale of shares from kc owned by hcc. this was then public funding. 43 million was then spent on the building of the kc.... fact two teams use and have earned profit from the use of this stadium.... fact both these two teams are private businesses...FACT so both teams have earned profits on the back of public funding..FACT ........... DID HULL FC PAY FOR THEIR OWN EXPANSION ? no they didn`t...... fact ............... so please before opening your mouth do think things through.
You may be to young to remember this, but a favourite topic a while back was how FC were apparently paying through the nose to be tennants of the KC, and how the minimal fee paid by rovers to Gaingroup (or whatever they were called back then) was obviously and without doubt the far superior business model as it meant rovers "owned" (sic) their ground and could do whatever they wanted with it. Oddly enough that view has generally been shunted off to the fringes in more recent times.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:30 pm
hull smallears
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Neil HFC wrote:You may be to young to remember this, but a favourite topic a while back was how FC were apparently paying through the nose to be tennants of the KC, and how the minimal fee paid by rovers to Gaingroup (or whatever they were called back then) was obviously and without doubt the far superior business model as it meant rovers "owned" (sic) their ground and could do whatever they wanted with it. Oddly enough that view has generally been shunted off to the fringes in more recent times.
It's like most things that don't suit, they are simply pushed aside and forgotten.
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