Barrie McKenzie struggling to get something?

I though you was a legend and everything just falls into the palm of your hands at a canter..

I don't think it's actually possible to fall at a canter …

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Sounds impressive to say to someone who is unfamilar of the concept of 4 nations RL 'Oh half of the teams involved in the tournament could end up winning'

Until you tell them there are only 4 nations involved.

So, we shouldn't play the 4N because only 2 teams have a chance of winning (in your opinion), but your "logical" replacement is to have an Ashes tour instead involving one of the teams that you have given no chance of winning the 4N (because GB is essentially the same as England) and one of the teams you think will easily win it most years?

I'm sorry, I see no sense in this at all. The logic is lost on me here...

Absolutely.

A Kangaroo tour is about so much more than a simple one off game against England.

A Kangaroo tour is all about arguably the greatest collection of Rugby league players on the planet flying half way round the world to take on the best club sides in England plus the international fixtures against GB or England.

Australia would be confident of winning every game on the tour just like the 'Invincibles' of 1982 did.

Big Club sides over here such as Wigan, St Helens, Hull and Leeds would be determined to make sure that didnt happen... it wouldnt just be the English players in these club sides that would want to beat Australia.. it would be the so called 'past it journeymen' in these clubs who would still believe they had a point to make against their fellow countrymen.

I'm pretty sure Hull v Australia would sell the KC out... as would the other fixtures.


You know it makes sense.

Could that not easily just be said as this:

"Australia flying half way around the world to take on the best international sides"? I don't see why playing a SL side in a friendly is better for the international game than playing an international side in a competitive game?


Well what's the point then? Aren't Australia confident of winning every game all the time anyway?


So a game with "past it players" and English players not good enough for England yet would be better than an international game?


I don't think it would.


It really doesn't.

Look at it this way, a 3-test series is only one game longer than the current 4N tournament anyway (assuming you play in the final). So where is all the extra room in the calendar to play all of these tour games?

I don't like the idea of clubs vs international sides. If a club from SL wants to take on an Aussie side, it should be an NRL side in an extended WCC, not a friendly.

You're talking about how the union lot have a better international recognition, yet you want to reduce the number of international games our rep sides play in?

You know it doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense.

Personally I'm getting a bit sick of watching these Australia v England 'tests' ... the only test is whether or not England will keep the Kangaroos under 40 points.

Apart from the occasional victory against Australia, England have failed spectacularly 90% of the time since the 1970's... most importantly when it really matters.

Its getting tedious.

We need to bring back the Kangaroo tours.

The old past it Aussies playing in SL would like nothing better than to put one over the younger ones. Imagine Ogre playing against his old mates. He would love it. As would all the others over here. It would be a good way for coaches to see how younger English players fare against Australia without having to wait until a full blown international. Crowds would be big. Every neutral in the world would want to see Australia lose.

My thinking is that a Kangaroo tour could be played every 3 or 4 years instead of a 4 Nations... which you and I both know is a waste of time. Whats the point of the 4 nations being played here and having a France v Australia game??? France cant even beat England... what chance have they got against the likes of Slater, Inglis, Smith, Gallen and Hayne!

I would love to see an international calendar that had one Northern Hemisphere 4 Nations, one Southern hemisphere 4 Nations, a Kangaroo tour, a GB tour to Australia/NZ and a World Cup every 5 years... now that would be an international programme

The simultaneous seasons we have in the North and South makes these tours pretty unlikely in the future but I have to say that the Kangaroo tours have been the highlight of my last 25 years watching RL and are very much missed

I went to that game (Wed Night match), obtained the autographs of the non playing Kangaroo players - i.e. The Test Team.

They were all stood under the scoreboard eating pies.