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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:14 am 
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JohnSmith2602 wrote:At least 8 Home grown players for 2011 - any player still under 21 and/or has completed 3 years service with the same clubs academy set up. Not sure if Murrell and Lovegrove spent 3 years as academy players. Welham did, as have Taylor and the Latus brothers plus Watts, Mariano and Beaumont.


He didn't.






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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Squad
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:23 am 
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Either did Watts.... pretty sure he came at 19 from cas did he not? and only 21 now?






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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Squad
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very red robin wrote:Either did Watts.... pretty sure he came at 19 from cas did he not? and only 21 now?


Watts is only just 20 so will qualify as homegrown.






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very red robin wrote:Either did Watts.... pretty sure he came at 19 from cas did he not? and only 21 now?


He's only 20, signed when he was 17. Both Watts and Welham count as HG.

As for Taylor being messed about? He's had more first team games than Liam Watts did at his stage of development, surprised he hasn't gone out on loan though. Jordan Cox is a much better prospect imo, he'll definitely sign Full Time next season.

Won't keep Wheeldon, not big enough and too slow off the mark.

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barham red wrote:strange rule that, I may be wrong but does this mean if you join a club at 15, break into the 1st team at 17 you wouldn;t be homegrown as you only had 2 years at academy level? if this is the case then doesn't this stifle development?


No because you qualify at acadamy level until you are too old, whether you're first team or not.






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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Squad
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:53 am 
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Gordon Gekko wrote:No because you qualify at acadamy level until you are too old, whether you're first team or not.


o, thnks for that. Didn't Lovegrove qualify then, wasn't academy 21 when he signed and he was 18?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:01 am 
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Mild Rover wrote:They didn't. Lovegrove certainly has a dispensation, not sure about Murrell. The system is so convoluted I haven't been able to work it out indirectly.

THE RFL wrote:CLUB TRAINED
B1:11A This Clause is subject to Clause B1:11C in Seasons 2008-10. At the time of notification of the
Provisional First Team Squad and First Team Squad and at all times, a Club’s First Team Squad,
where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:
(a) a maximum of 5 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained, Federation
Trained or are working towards either classification.
(b) a minimum of 8 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that
classification.
(c) the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy
Juniors working towards either classification.
B1:11B The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:11A above:
(a) ‘Club Trained Player’: a player who has been on the Club’s register for any 3 full Seasons
before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21
level. For the 2008 Season only this shall be amended to 1 full Season and for the 2009
Season only this shall be amended to 2 full Seasons. For the avoidance of doubt, where a
player satisfies the definition in each of the 2008 and 2009 Seasons and is on the Club’s
register in both of those seasons, the Player shall retain the status of ‘Club Trained Player’
in 2010 for so long as he remains on the register of that Club but shall lose such status
(unless he satisfies the full definition of 3 years) upon being removed from the Club’s
register and shall not regain it simply by returning to the Club’s register. Otherwise, and
again for the avoidance of doubt, from the 2010 Season onwards a player must satisfy
the requirement to have been on the Club’s register for 3 full Seasons before being
ineligible to play at Under 21 level in order to qualify as a ‘Club Trained Player’ and the
fact that he may have qualified as a ‘Club Trained Player’ in the 2008 and/or 2009
Seasons shall be irrelevant.
(b) ‘Federation Trained Player’: a player who, for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the
Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on
one of the Club’s register or the register of another Club being a member of the same
rugby league federation. For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one Club’s
register to another Club’s register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the
Season (as defined) and any amount of the period between the 1 December and the day
of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie (whichever is sooner) between.

So taking that into account Murrell, Watts, Welham are club trained due to clause B1:11B.
There will probably be more btw but they were they first 3 names I thought of.






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Roverswall wrote:So taking that into account Murrell, Watts, Welham are club trained due to clause B1:11B.
There will probably be more btw but they were they first 3 names I thought of.


Cheers, that makes things a bit clearer. Something like that needs a staggered introduction.

I think Watts qualifies even by the newest and strictest definition, as he's 20 and this is third season on Rovers register. Josh Hodgson will be only fed-trained next year, though (assuming his wiki d.o.b. is correct).






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Roverswall wrote:So taking that into account Murrell, Watts, Welham are club trained due to clause B1:11B.
There will probably be more btw but they were they first 3 names I thought of.


I think Lovegrove will qualify as club trained then reading that.






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Gordon Gekko wrote:I think Lovegrove will qualify as club trained then reading that.
And yet it was made to sound like we had to ask the RFL for an exemption.
I would guess it was more of a confirmation by the RFL then.
TBH though the RFL rules are a bloody minefield so I may have missed something.






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