Joined: Mar 04 2005 Posts: 8877 Location: The Peoples Republic of Bradfordia (Scottish Branch)
tigertot wrote:I'm glad someone's finally said that.
TBF, I have said similar for a while now. Mind the OTT carry on when it was suggested we buy Luke Burgess? My point was basically if his surname was not Burgess he would not be considered anything special at all.
Which he isn't.
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By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013
Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know: Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017
Bulliac wrote:I'm not sure who came in which particular year to be honest but that sounds about right. Bulls4 is right to say that the academy never stopped, but just having an academy team isn't really the point. As the finances dried up they moved all the academy lads onto part time contracts and, as they were no longer full time, the amount of coaching dropped. Whilst there were players coming through in this period they were actually from the earlier time when it was serviced properly. During an approx. 18 month two year period they struggled to get quality juniors because other clubs were offering a better quality environment and full time coaching, it was a no brainer really.
I'm sure you're right about quota system changes having a big effect on policy, though it was necessary it still had to be done and it's been done very well. What I find hard to understand is how the blind hatred of one man causes people to deny the good that he did.
For the record I dont hate Steve Mac, I dont know the man.
Whilst I have great respect for SM he was not the man for Bradford, the Board should take a fair amount of the blame for the position we still find ourselves in at the moment.
Bulliac wrote:I'm sure you're right about quota system changes having a big effect on policy, though it was necessary it still had to be done and it's been done very well. What I find hard to understand is how the blind hatred of one man causes people to deny the good that he did.
I'm not sure if there is that much blind hatred towards McNamara, with maybe a notable exception or two.
I do think people on this forum are less inclined to give McNamara credit for what he has done because of how often excuses were wheeled out for him when it came to discussing the things he hadn't.
Personally I felt the stage had been reached a long time ago where no-one was going to budge on their feelings toward him so I stopped getting involved in going round in circles.
Joined: Feb 12 2006 Posts: 15035 Location: Gods County
Bulliac wrote:I know there is general feeling that, when two parties disagree, the truth must lie somewhere inbetween. This is incorrect. It is perfectly possible for one side to be totally wrong and I'm sorry to say that, on this one issue, you are. The club has generally had a reasonable junior set up but, as I'm sure you know, it was virtually binned, in a cost saving venture, at the back end of the Caisley/Noble era, just one example of a number of short sighted decisions made during those years. It was revived by McNamara and Paul Medley and it is through their efforts that it is bringing young players through as it is. Trying to pretend this didn't happen just to satisfy some anti Mac agenda is a total fiction.
The Academy going part time was in fact Gareth Davies doing at the end of 2003 a decision Noble was totally against.
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Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 14145 Location: At the Gates of Delirium
redeverready wrote:The Academy going part time was in fact Gareth Davies doing at the end of 2003 a decision Noble was totally against.
Interesting point. That being the case, was a reason given? I presume it was cost, given that at the time the accounts were showing losses of over £600k p.a?
If that be so, we surely get back once again to the root problem - the club was spending way beyond its means? This suggests the cost reduction programme kicked in earlier than we assumed? I'd always assumed Davies had a fall-out with the CC, Nobby et al because it was he who had to tell them they had to cut costs very dramatically or face hitting the financial wall in the medium term (speculation - I do not know that). I guess its easy to say that it was all very well Nobby being totally against it, but someone had to plug the billowing well of costs?
Can a link be shown here? Academy goes part-time from 2004, supply of quality players generated by the Academy reduces alarmingly 2006 onwards, Academy pipeline has to be rebuilt on affordable basis from then, producing first real results 2009-2010...?
Adeybull wrote:Interesting point. That being the case, was a reason given? I presume it was cost, given that at the time the accounts were showing losses of over £600k p.a?
If that be so, we surely get back once again to the root problem - the club was spending way beyond its means? This suggests the cost reduction programme kicked in earlier than we assumed? I'd always assumed Davies had a fall-out with the CC, Nobby et al because it was he who had to tell them they had to cut costs very dramatically or face hitting the financial wall in the medium term (speculation - I do not know that). I guess its easy to say that it was all very well Nobby being totally against it, but someone had to plug the billowing well of costs?
Can a link be shown here? Academy goes part-time from 2004, supply of quality players generated by the Academy reduces alarmingly 2006 onwards, Academy pipeline has to be rebuilt on affordable basis from then, producing first real results 2009-2010...?
I would venture that's pretty accurate Adey.
However I still find it baffling that despite, necessarily, reducing the excessive overheads and costs, the club significantly neglected to increase revenue streams at the same time. Simple economics. The simple fact is, staff were still in place to do so, whether they were ones of quality remains the key issue. It's all too easy to play wounded soldier and simply plunge costs and blame Iestyn Harris, Nobby or Caisley. And tiresome. That the club failed to address the need to increase income in different ways (and I don't mean merely acknowledging it, any Luddite can do that) and actively do so, is a key element that some choose to pass by.
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