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Asim wrote:Watch it again, it wasn't going in, it was heading straight for his face!
The hand comes out in instinct, nothing more, nothing less, it still won't stop the poor lad being vilified though - yet he is the true victim here, missing a World Cup semi final.
I thought the same. It would have smacked him full on in the nose if he hadn't have handled it. It was a pure instinctive reaction.
That said, you've got to go in that situation. No ifs, no buts. You raise your hand, that's that.
I feel truly gutted for Ghana. To lose a game in such a manner must be awful. The penalty shoot out result was never in doubt after that.
This was football's Don Fox 1968 moment, without doubt. The poor lad will live with it for the rest of his life.
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I was going off it having just viewed it live with no replays because i was getting excited and didn't really watch it which is why i just presumed it would have hit his head and still gone in...but having just watched the reply online....he wouldnt even have touched it with his head, he literally scoops it out of the goal to his right, it was nowhere near his face in the end.
Edit, even the other Uruguayan on the line tries to parry it away with one hand. Brilliant!
I was going off it having just viewed it live with no replays because i was getting excited and didn't really watch it which is why i just presumed it would have hit his head and still gone in...but having just watched the reply online....he wouldnt even have touched it with his head, he literally scoops it out of the goal to his right, it was nowhere near his face in the end.
tommy wrote:I was going off it having just viewed it live with no replays because i was getting excited and didn't really watch it which is why i just presumed it would have hit his head and still gone in...but having just watched the reply online....he wouldnt even have touched it with his head, he literally scoops it out of the goal to his right, it was nowhere near his face in the end.
If it was going in to his right, why does he stop it with his left hand? edit - or tried to, I think he did use his right looking again.
Look at the position of the player and the ball on the still on the BBC site when you click to show that incident, then watch it on the video and see the direction and trajectory of the ball, and the movement of Suarez - there was no way it was going over him or to his right, move it on a second if his hand isn't there and it would hit Suarez.
tommy wrote:I was going off it having just viewed it live with no replays because i was getting excited and didn't really watch it which is why i just presumed it would have hit his head and still gone in...but having just watched the reply online....he wouldnt even have touched it with his head, he literally scoops it out of the goal to his right, it was nowhere near his face in the end.
If it was going in to his right, why does he stop it with his left hand? edit - or tried to, I think he did use his right looking again.
Look at the position of the player and the ball on the still on the BBC site when you click to show that incident, then watch it on the video and see the direction and trajectory of the ball, and the movement of Suarez - there was no way it was going over him or to his right, move it on a second if his hand isn't there and it would hit Suarez.
Asim wrote:If it was going in to his right, why does he stop it with his left hand?
Look at the position of the player and the ball on the still on the BBC site when you click to show that incident, then watch it on the video and see the direction and trajectory of the ball, and the movement of Suarez - there was no way it was going over him or to his right.
Because he saved it that much like a keeper he uses both hand to scoop it away!
C'mon, you're winding me up here aren't you, you little tinker?
tommy wrote:Because he saved it that much like a keeper he uses both hand to scoop it away!
C'mon, you're winding me up here aren't you, you little tinker?
Honestly no, see my edit above.
He isn't standing still, so if his hands aren't there it hits him, it doesn't go in.
It comes down at his feet he plays it out to his full back who hits a long angled ball over the top, Forlan is in behind the defence, draws the keeper rounds him, and slots home, Uruguay win 2-1, we are spared penalties and all because the ref gave Ghana a dodgy free-kick.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. On the version i'm watching he's standing pefectly still on the goal line, the ball is almost a foot to his right and he scoops it away with both hands. I'm still sticking up for the lad though, the right thing to do. He knew he'd saved it, i don't think it's even instinctive, he just thought to himself as the free kick was taken 'i'm not letting that ball into the net however it happens', and surely enough he did...or didn't as it were...
GCM1980 wrote:Very true, but stuff like that should be a penalty goal, rather than just a penalty. But that opens a whole new can of worms, FIFA have enough on their plate with goal-line technology!
If the incident had happened in the first minute of the match most would have thought the penalty fitted the crime. Arguably it would have been better for them to concede the goal rather than play with 10 men. In this case the fact that Uruguay didnt have to play with 10 men at all distorted the outcome. But a one off situation like this provides a very poor basis for changing the rules.
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Carragher retires from international football, again. Will he let the other players do the work in qualification again? Then comeback for the Euro's? Makes the decision to take him look even worse
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Great game last night. Those final five minutes were incredible and what drama at the end. One of the greatest finishes to a game I have ever seen. Hopefully the Argentina-Germany game can give us something equally as dramatic. I'm not holding out much hope for the Paraguay game i.e. probable zzzz.
McClennan wrote:Great game last night. Those final five minutes were incredible and what drama at the end. One of the greatest finishes to a game I have ever seen. Hopefully the Argentina-Germany game can give us something equally as dramatic. I'm not holding out much hope for the Paraguay game i.e. probable zzzz.
Argentina-Germany should be full of goals. They both play great football and look vulnerable at the back. The Spain game has the look of a routine 2-0 Spain win to it.
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