See, only a Liverpool fan would classify the last 20 years as "mid-table mediocrity". Over the last 20 years Liverpool have always been there or thereabouts. They've won the CL, appeared in another CL final, won the FA Cup 3 times, won the FL Cup 3 times and won the UEFA Cup.

No way am i associated with anything from or to do with Liverpool.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... efeat.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... efeat.html

Okay, I'll say it.

I think England played okay yesterday.

I missed the first ten minutes, as I work nights and after a couple of hours sleep struggled to wake myself enough.

But the first Germany goal was just a fluke. A harmless punt upfield managed to turn from a clearing ball to a perfect set up. Yeah, England wouldn't have been done like that had they had a central defence with pace, but nobody with any sense didn't know we were desperately short of pace at the back. 99 times out of a 100 that ball downfield would have just resulted in nothing.

We went 2-0 down. Not happy about it, but that's football.

We pull a goal back from Upson. Lampard then scores to equalise but the lino screws up and doesn't give it.

IMO the players deserve massive credit for fighting their way back into the match when a 2-0 lead for Germany could've buried us.

Having been denied an equaliser by a blind lino we then have a screaming free kick hit the bar.

We then show too much naivete by throwing too many men forward and get hit on the counter. IMO James was also at fault for the third goal, but again everyone knew we are not blessed with good goalkeepers.

I just don't agree with the notion that the players didn't put up a fight yesterday. I think we have a glaring lack of quality players in far too many areas, I think we weren't properly set up to play our best in the tournament and our overall WC performance has been dreadful, but I don't think our players workrate or attitude was at fault yesterday.

Just thick then.

Yes, you're way to astute for me.

TBH a German deciding to watch a Germany-England match with a thousand English supporters is so stupid he deserves a kicking.

and it's ME that's the stupid one, great comment, well done.

You are pwoper nawty.



I watched the last European Championship final with another English mate in a Murcian pub packed with Spanish supporters. There was a German lad and a German girl yet not a bit of trouble. Actually a group of about three or four Spaniards did laugh in the general direction of the German couple when Torres scored

A Leeds Rhinos fan could probably watch a Leeds-Sts GF with a thousand Saints fans and it'd be a pleasant experience. Bit of banter both ways and everyone enjoys the game. But there'd also be a small chance that some Saints fan would have a few too much to drink and want to take it out on him.

But a German football fan watching a World Cup game with a thousand pi55ed up Englishmen in London??? Either England win, and him watching a thousand English people celebrate will make the defeat a terrible occasion, or Germany win and he gets beaten up.