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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:06 am 
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Wildmoose wrote:This is the key part isn’t it?

As far as I can see all of our overseas players other than Dobson & Clinton fall into this category.

A few successful applications for exemption & we could have plenty of space on the quota.


Fed-trained solved - but that still leaves quota. I think fed-trained quota players count still count as overseas. So, they need an EU passport too. However, they could be phasing out the quota rule, as the fed-trained quota player shouldn't be an issue in the future, as they retire.
It isn't just a case of the overseas quota coming down - in a belt and braces approach, the club- and fed-trained minimums also increase. From next year on it is.
Top 25 earners:
Club-trained - minimum of 8. Fed-trained - minimum of 20-club trained number (most likely 20-8=12 for Rovers). Overseas - maximum of 5.
Possibly...
8 Club-trained - Lovegrove, Watts, Welham, Taylor, I'anson (?), Bell (?), 2 of Spaven, Mariano, Latus Bros and Beaumont.
12 Fed-trained - Hodgson (who'll be 21), Fisher, Vella, Briscoe, Cook, Fox, Colbon (fingers crossed), Cockayne, Ratu, Murrell, Galea (???), Netherton. Leaving no room for Walker or Wheeldon or a new stand-off (?!). When you think we've got Mills and had Cooke at the start of the year, I don't see how we meet the current quotas. There was the theory that one of Wheeldon or Murrell was given a club-trained dispensation. I wonder if the rule has been phased in more gently for us. To go from essentially zero club-trained in 2007 to almost a third of the squad by 2011 was always going to be tough.
5 Overseas - Newton, Clinton, Dobson, Webster, +1 ?

Tbh, sticking to the rules I think it is an insouble riddle. I think we must have a dispensation - not on overseas, but on fed-trained. Probably needed it, too.






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So let me see if I have this right, if a overseas player who doesnt count on the quota I:E Euro passport or Kolpak, he can get will not count as a non fed player is he signed before the June 2007, is OOC and stays at the same club?

So thats means

Dobson
Newton
Clinton
Galea
Webster are all quota players

Fisher will count on the above rules.

What about Vella did he sign before June 2007? What is he classed as?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:53 am 
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Dave K. wrote:So let me see if I have this right, if a overseas player who doesnt count on the quota I:E Euro passport or Kolpak, he can get will not count as a non fed player is he signed before the June 2007, is OOC and stays at the same club?

So thats means

Dobson
Newton
Clinton
Galea
Webster are all quota players

Fisher will count on the above rules.

What about Vella did he sign before June 2007? What is he classed as?


Vella will be non-quota and fed-trained, IMO (which even I don't set a lot of store by on this subject!). The contract renewal thing was quietly dropped later I think - hence Willie Manu coming off this year, instead of next when his new contract starts. If Galea has also gets a Maltese passport and counts as fed-trained, he becomes a much more attractive proposition - for other clubs too.
If they stick with this system, it'll sort itself out in the next few years. Until then :FRUSRATED:






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Isn't it the passport you came to sl with? Not sure you could resubmit it, although that would surely be illegal.






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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy

The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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Sheldon wrote:Isn't it the passport you came to sl with? Not sure you could resubmit it, although that would surely be illegal.


The delay in James Webster making his Hull FC debut was due to him waiting for his UK passport iirc. Vella getting his Maltese passport was flagged as being significant at the time, too. As you say, it'd be difficult to discriminate.






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Mild Rover wrote:The delay in James Webster making his Hull FC debut was due to him waiting for his UK passport iirc. Vella getting his Maltese passport was flagged as being significant at the time, too. As you say, it'd be difficult to discriminate.


British, Maltese, French, Polish or any other EU passport is treated exactly the same within EU law. The RFL would be getting into a legal minefield if they said Webster was ok to play as an Aussie on a British passport, but A N Other was barred with a passport issued elswhere in the EU.

The rules governing our game are basically an agreement, but it would NOT stop the EU from clamping down on the RFL if it sees a restriction of trade being built into its rules.






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Mild Rover wrote:The delay in James Webster making his Hull FC debut was due to him waiting for his UK passport iirc. Vella getting his Maltese passport was flagged as being significant at the time, too. As you say, it'd be difficult to discriminate.


wasn't that to do with Webster going from quota to non fed?

Even I'm confused now! :lol:






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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy

The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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blakeysrobin wrote:Anyone else getting Browned off with our lack of a stand off for next year?

Chunky transfer fee, surely? Contracted to end 2012.

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