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I think Wakey should be worried and I think they are the only club in any danger next time around.
I wouldn't be surprised to see an increase to 15 sides, and do away with the tragic weekend.
Just out of interest, is any credit given to away support and the cash this generates for clubs? I mean, I despise you lot ( ), but cannot deny you contribute a lot to the coffers of SL. I think that both Hull clubs should score massive kudos in that respect. If you look at 4000 Hull fans at cas at average £10 a throw for a sunday match, cannot deny it brings more to the competition. The other CEO's in SL must enjoy the Hull clubs coming to town.
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hull smallears wrote:I think Wakey should be worried and I think they are the only club in any danger next time around.
I wouldn't be surprised to see an increase to 15 sides, and do away with the tragic weekend.
Just out of interest, is any credit given to away support and the cash this generates for clubs? I mean, I despise you lot ( ), but cannot deny you contribute a lot to the coffers of SL. I think that both Hull clubs should score massive kudos in that respect. If you look at 4000 Hull fans at cas at average £10 a throw for a sunday match, cannot deny it brings more to the competition. The other CEO's in SL must enjoy the Hull clubs coming to town.
Fully agree with your comments. AFAIK though no formal credit is given, but is certainly should be and IMO should even be one of the criteria. Like you say think how much extra money Cas will have made last week from you guys, compared to if they'd played one of the clubs who only takes a dozen or so away on average.
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It is undeniably a good thing, the amount of fans that both Hull clubs take on their travels (and certainly brilliant to be a part of) and the revenue that generates.
However, I don't see how this could be equitably scored when it comes to franchises. It's hardly fair to Harlequins, Catalans and to a lesser extent Crusaders.
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[quote="pmh"]It is undeniably a good thing, the amount of fans that both Hull clubs take on their travels (and certainly brilliant to be a part of) and the revenue that generates.
However, I don't see how this could be equitably scored when it comes to franchises. It's hardly fair to Harlequins, Catalans and to a lesser extent Crusaders.[/quote]
It would balance of the extra point these clubs get for being outside of the traditional RL heartland. Other clubs who are close to the other teams, but don't have away support like we have, will be the only ones who lose out.
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pmh wrote:It is undeniably a good thing, the amount of fans that both Hull clubs take on their travels (and certainly brilliant to be a part of) and the revenue that generates.
However, I don't see how this could be equitably scored when it comes to franchises. It's hardly fair to Harlequins, Catalans and to a lesser extent Crusaders.
TS IMO - it's hardly fair they're all stealing the places of clubs like Widnes and Barrow who'd contribute a lot more to SL.
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pmh wrote:However, I don't see how this could be equitably scored when it comes to franchises. It's hardly fair to Harlequins, Catalans and to a lesser extent Crusaders.
It would bring balance to the already unfair point for not being near another SL club.
I personally believe FC and Rovers should be given a point because they have the following
A) In a catchment area large enough to support the growth of the clubs inside it B) In An Area which is at least 60 Miles From 85% of Clubs in The Competition. C) Have a large amount of fans that are prepared to travel those distances
To penalise Hull clubs because they do not add to the geographical spread of SL to me seems wrong. In fact the only rational reason for awarding Clubs outside the heartlands an extra point is so they get more than clubs that the RFL don't want in SL.
What advantage does not being close to another SL club bring to SL?????
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Well they're debatable points I know, but iirc we weren't too far off the turnover point last time round. As far as solvency is concerned, I suppose thats down to how the RFL gauge it. Our debt is underwritten and apparently we can provide strong evidence that it can be sustainable in the very near future.
I guess if the likes of cas, salford and wakefield are in on (yet) another promise of a new ground, we should get the same benefit of the doubt with our finances.
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Roofs wrote:TS IMO - it's hardly fair they're all stealing the places of clubs like Widnes and Barrow who'd contribute a lot more to SL.
Willa wrote: It would bring balance to the already unfair point for not being near another SL club.
I personally believe FC and Rovers should be given a point because they have the following
A) In a catchment area large enough to support the growth of the clubs inside it B) In An Area which is at least 60 Miles From 85% of Clubs in The Competition. C) Have a large amount of fans that are prepared to travel those distances
To penalise Hull clubs because they do not add to the geographical spread of SL to me seems wrong. In fact the only rational reason for awarding Clubs outside the heartlands an extra point is so they get more than clubs that the RFL don't want in SL.
What advantage does not being close to another SL club bring to SL?????
It all comes down to what camp your foot's in.
Are you an expansionist or not? I am, that's why I think it would be unfair on them.
However I also don't agree that clubs shouldn't be penalised solely on their geographical position. The old chestnut arguement of our two clubs being in the same city always rears it's head, yet strangely you hardly ever here mention that Wigan, St. Helen's, Warrington and Leigh are all more or less a stones throw away from each other.
Roofs, I agree Widnes should be in but Barrow? Come on, what would they bring? A season of paying over the odds for rubbish players, getting tonked every week and then going bust at the end of the year just like Workington in 1996. The only way I can ever see the RFL allowing a Cumbrian based team would be through a merger of all three, but the fans (quite rightly imo) would never have that.
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), but cannot deny you contribute a lot to the coffers of SL. I think that both Hull clubs should score massive kudos in that respect.
