I agree that we are not good enough in almost every dept! I also agree that we are guilty of giving away stupid penalties. However, is everyone in RL really telling me that we are so ill disciplined and that the teams we play against are angels. According to Mr Child, Warrington were square at every play the ball and back the full 10 metres; Morely got through an entire 80 minutes without tackling high as did Ben Westwood ( I think not). Whilst not an excuse for capitulating so badly a penalty count of 12 -3 is always going to be hard to take.

I don't dispute any of the penalties against us. The ref was right to give them. However, if you analyse the scoring in the game, we scored 3 tries without any piggybacks down the field and 4 out Wires first half tries came directly from penalties that got them out of their own half.

A defeat was always going to be the result but the manner of it was at least partly attributable to the constant defensing we had to do (the same was true at Cas in the first half hour too).

Oh and by the way.... look at all the other games this weekend. Even penalty counts in the main and each time there was a kick which resulted in a touch down it was checked by the video ref. Ryan Atkins try wasn't and yet Littler was ruled offside immediately by Mr Child without a look at the screen. Level the playing field and let's see where we stand then!!!! Probably about 30 points down I would say rather than the 52 that it was. At least we scored 3 more than HKR managed eh?

The blame in my opinion should be laid at the players door, yes we all have our beef with Mcrae for serveral different reasons but last time i watched i didnt see Mcrae holding down a opposition player for too long so the rest of the team get back into position because we are knackered and need that extra 2 seconds, if you win "the contact" you can hold the attacker down as long as you want because your in control of the tackle you can wheel them around clamp the ball and get the line set as long as there is movement the referee should not call held, so many times at salford the players fail to win the contact and are left scambling around on the floor while the attacking player usually "buys" the penality by swan diving as he tries to play the ball.

My other bug bear is hiding on the blind side of the play after a play of the ball, if you knackered call for a sub and go off or stay down and roll away preferablly in the direction your supose to defending, you roll that way the attacker will have to run around you on the floor and adjust their line of attack

I do feel the players dont study the rules too much, if you know the rules you can bend them.

I saw mcrae on saturday and he seemed to shrug his shoulders about the whole thing, he can set the team up but if cerain players are getting stung everyweek with certain penalities and not adapting their style so it doesnt happen then there is nothing he can do about it imo.

Some good points there - does anyone have stats for penalty counts this season. I cant remember many games (if any) where we had more than our opponents. I know it doesnt take away from our feeble tackling BUT the figures would be of interest if anyone has them.

Dont blame the Ref.
We were cack.
The defensive line is shocking and why there is no support for Tyrer when it is obvious they always target him is beyond me.
The whole tackling technique apart from one or two exceptions is totally wrong.
This is schoolboy stuff FFS

And where the f**king hell do you think we're going to find someone like that willing to takeover a club that is already a financial weight around the shoulders of those who keep it afloat?


As for everything else... To be honest, I've given up caring. I can't be bothered putting the effort into getting wound up about the players, the coach, poor performances or anything else anymore. Nothing's going to change anytime soon - expect nothing and when something good does happen it feels that extra bit special.

Yep, I'm the same now. Lets just enjoy the year and half we have left in the top division because lets face it we won't be getting in next time round.