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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:43 pm 
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We have a conservative approach the game. Rovers have come a long way in the last few years, so I'm not going to knock it too much, as we've seen it can be effective. And I don't expect us to do what Saints did today - even Saints don't do that every week.

However, most other teams on our level offer different types of threat. They have livewire little players or big ones who can offload, they can play expansively and offer a threat out wide. They maybe have more than one pivot. We get into decent position and have no penetration. Our only play seems to be hitting Newton on a flat pass, which results in a knock-on as often as a try. That's if we exclude I'anson taking a second to look around for options that have by then vanished, then driving it in. When the kicking game was working, we might at least win repeat sets and score against a tiring team, but now that is stuttering, we've got nowt.
Also if you start conservatively, it is very hard to move up a gear, if you fall behind.

Morgan has worked wonders, passing every test he's faced. I think he understands that we're too limited to progress even further and things like Webster to stand-off were attempts to address that. What we need is an overhaul of the entire attacking structure and philosophy in the offseason and a player or two who can cut or smash through a defensive line.






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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:49 pm 
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couldnt agree more, another 'experiment' that imo hasnt worked is murrell at hooker. he can play there as a backup if and when ijuries dictate but wouldnt have him ther by choice. body language today was awful. has justin lost the dressing room? was it all cookie as was suggested?

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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:41 pm 
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I know this is primarily about Rovers, but we have the same problem. You hit Newton on a flat pass, we shift it to Manu and expect him to drag 13 defenders over the line.
The really sad thing is that, even if you pooled our squads together it would be no better.

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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:39 pm 
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have to agree, both hull sides could not provide a 17 man team capable of challenging

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 Post subject: Re: lack of attacking options
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:30 pm 
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Here is what I'd like to see, looking forward:

All of this...
nick hkr wrote:Dobson can be a class act, he's got pace, goal kicking accuracy and knows how to play a very flat line.

Problem with this is a flat line is worthless when a good well drilled defence get into your face giving Dobbo less time with the ball to make a decision. If we were to use Dobsons flat attack along with a second phase out the back that can punnish any on rushers with a tidy little tip on it would increase our attacking potency.

This is unfortunately soemthing we dont have, with Galea we have a similar sort of flat attack and by moving him to loose man and Murrell to hooker we cant really do too much with Scotty. I'd also like to see Scotty have more of a say in the kicking department, he can land a ball on a five pence piece 30yrds away and Byron Ford made a good living off these in the early days a lot like Raynor and Yeaman did off Cooke's long cut out passes.

I dont mind if Dobson stays or goes, I think we'd live without him and we'll struggle to find a stand off that can play alongside him, however if we can just get that second phase worked out we could find ourselves in some very good attacking plays and not have to find both half backs possibly a loose man and a world class centre in the off season.


Personnel wise Galea and Webster are not part of the problem, but unfortunately they are taking up valuable quota spots. We need a top stand-off (Chaz I'anson is a decent utility squad member, but isn't looking like he is going to kick on from that) and the only place I think we'll find one is the NRL. Bell from the academy seems highly rated, so a veteran to knock us into shape for a couple of years would be fine. Mills is effectively gone already and it wouldn't be a surprise if Wheeldon moved on too. Colbon, Lovegrove, Watts and Walker (assuming he makes a successful return to playing) I'd keep for another year at least. With the money saved there and from Cooke's departure, we'd probably need a prop and a centre. The prop, I'd ideally like to be somebody who can offer something different - busting tackles or offloading - otherwise we may as well stick with Wheeldon. Centre is difficult, limited to UK-trained who'll be in high demand - we could use Walker there and look at 2nd rowers instead, if we couldn't get anybody better.
Murrell to return to loose forward, leaving hooker to Fisher and Hodgson.






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 Post subject: Re: lack of attacking options
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:04 am 
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phleastyler wrote:have to agree, both hull sides could not provide a 17 man team capable of challenging

And in all fairness,that is a bloody disgrace.






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