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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:21 am 
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Reading the League Express this morning about Matt King at Warrington and his views on big name aussies heading over here it said this

Quote:King is one of a handful of former NRL players in Super League to suffer financially with his club Warrington, along with Hull Kingston Rovers, refusing to countenance image rights contracts.



Any ideas on what that actually means?






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 Post subject: Re: Refusing to countenance image rights?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:29 am 
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MrPhilb wrote:Reading the League Express this morning about Matt King at Warrington and his views on big name aussies heading over here it said this

Any ideas on what that actually means?


I think it means the clubs insist the players image belongs to them and therefore limits any sponsorship or promotional stuff the player can make money from for example Jon Wilkin and Steeden and Kev Sinfield with Optimum.

I remember Jon Goddard (I think it was him) having an issue with it a few years back, cant remember why.

If I was paying the players the money they are getting I think I would want a cut of all image rights or sponsorship deals too, cant fault Wire or Rovers for that.

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Looks like Matt King's promotional work for the Simpsons movie has been a waste of time!

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Digger_the_Dog wrote:I think it means the clubs insist the players image belongs to them and therefore limits any sponsorship or promotional stuff the player can make money from for example Jon Wilkin and Steeden and Kev Sinfield with Optimum.

I remember Jon Goddard (I think it was him) having an issue with it a few years back, cant remember why.

If I was paying the players the money they are getting I think I would want a cut of all image rights or sponsorship deals too, cant fault Wire or Rovers for that.


that caused you any problems with Matty Dale ?






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Hutchie wrote:that caused you any problems with Matty Dale ?


No mate, neither Featherstone or the Chinese National team were bothered :lol:

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Digger_the_Dog wrote:No mate, neither Featherstone or the Chinese National team were bothered :lol:


:lol: :lol:






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It is more likely to mean that his original contract (where, incidentally, we believe Wire gazumped Bulls...) included a very substantial element for his image rights. Funnily enough, HMRC have been challenging these, since contracts structured in this way save a load of tax (I will explain how if anyone is that interested), so the club can get a lot more player for a given salary cap spend. It is widely assumed around the game that Wire are a club that are especially exposed to back tax assessments because of this tactic.

It is also speculated...shall we say...that Wire have now had to retreat from this strategy, because of the HMRC investigations, and have said the tax problem is the players' so certain players have been landed with a significant after-tax pay cut. And they were not happy. Allegedly.

Maybe this has happened at your place too?

There is of course the related issue, which is that if HMRC are successful then there will be tax and NIC to "gross up". Which will mean that the salary cap cost for affected players for prior years will suddenly go up a lot. Which means that some clubs will by implication have breached the salary cap for prior years...

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Adeybull wrote:It is more likely to mean that his original contract (where, incidentally, we believe Wire gazumped Bulls...) included a very substantial element for his image rights. Funnily enough, HMRC have been challenging these, since contracts structured in this way save a load of tax (I will explain how if anyone is that interested), so the club can get a lot more player for a given salary cap spend. It is widely assumed around the game that Wire are a club that are especially exposed to back tax assessments because of this tactic.

It is also speculated...shall we say...that Wire have now had to retreat from this strategy, because of the HMRC investigations, and have said the tax problem is the players' so certain players have been landed with a significant after-tax pay cut. And they were not happy. Allegedly.

Maybe this has happened at your place too?

There is of course the related issue, which is that if HMRC are successful then there will be tax and NIC to "gross up". Which will mean that the salary cap cost for affected players for prior years will suddenly go up a lot. Which means that some clubs will by implication have breached the salary cap for prior years...


So the implication is rovers and warrington's overseas players may be hit with a lrgere than expected tax bill and/or receive less than they expected?






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Jake the Peg wrote:So the implication is rovers and warrington's overseas players may be hit with a lrgere than expected tax bill and/or receive less than they expected?

Plus salary cap breach implications. Although even if technically this were the case, would have thought it unlikely that sanctions would be forthcoming given that the live cap means this sort of thing is supposed to be audited.

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