After watching tonights game Cas v Warr i just cant see us moving forward as Cas have.They struggled in there first year back in superleague,but seemed to learn alot from it and are now competitive against any team they play.Whereas we look like we have gone backwards to championship level im really really worried the future for us is bleak.

Can see th epoint you're making, and I had hoped we might follow in Cas' footsteps, but they have twice as many fans as us - that's double the gate receipts, twice the sales in the club shop, twice as much potential for sponsors/advertisers (and hence more potential commercial income) as well as more support from the terraces during matches.

It's no wonder we can't keep up with them?! And before anyone tells me that crowds are poor because of the poor RL we play, we've always had poor crowds and Cas were getting far better attendances even when they were getting battered week in, week out.

I appreciate that our fans seem to the think that we deserve better from the club, but perhaps the club (and especially JAW and HC) deserve better from the people of Salford???

Exactly,in a nutshell.

it doesnt matter what stadium were in a lot of people will not pay 18 quid to watch that dross. plus it will cost me even more to get there now 2 buses or a cab!

Stadium = interest = more fans = more money = better coach/players = win games = more fans etc etc. Easy, in theory.

Just thinking back to first game after the season we made the play offs, leeds at home. I know its leeds, who will bring fans anyway, but the attendance and atmosphere that day were top! If were doing well we wil bring the crowds in.

That is if it gets built this century. Anyway i think wooden spoon this year.

A good example of this theory was on display this week, during the week Carlisle played Leeds in a cup comp and the place was packed and rocking, yesterday Carlisle played MK dons and the place was empty and there was a bit of noise even though they won 5-0 there was no atmosphere.
So people will pick and chose their games and the Welsh team looked a poor choice at £18, perhaps we should move to a system of weighting for gate prices and have 4 categories with( A) being dearest and (D) the cheapest and the Welsh team would be a D whereas Leeds an A. A = £18 B = £15, C = £12 and D = £10.

"Stadium = interest = more fans = more money = better coach/players = win games = more fans etc etc. Easy, in theory."

especially at the Keepmoat?

I don't entirely disagree but, after making the playoffs and playing against Leeds, we still only just managed to break the 8k barrier, and that's as good as it gets for Salford crowds ... hardly a 'top' attendance.